EoZ Goku proves Gotenks is Gag

[GreatSaiyaman123]

IIRC it was the animation staff, not Toriyama.

Anyway, bringing new material into this is kinda pointless since DBS Goku is >>>>>> everyone. Or should be, because apparently DBS will end with Gohan Beast as the strongest.

 

[Goku9001]

How did we come up with this lol?

EoZ Goku > SSJ3 Gotenks > Base Gotenks (Post) > SSJ Gotenks (Pre) > SSJ3 Goku ~ EoZ Base Goku

 

[FeatsofPower]

EoZ Goku > SSJ3 Gotenks > Base Gotenks (Post) > SSJ Gotenks (Pre) > SSJ3 Goku ~ EoZ Base Goku

It implies the gag wasn’t legit or Goku gets a way bigger than 50x boost or Gotenks gets smaller than 50x.

Which one you picking

 

[MikaelHarding]

Buu Arc:

Goku: 70,000,000
SSJ: 3,500,000,000
SSJ2: 7,000,000,000
SSJ3: 28,000,000,000

Vegeta: 68,900,000
SSJ: 3,445,000,000
SSJ2: 6,890,000,000

Gohan: 33,000,000
SSJ: 1,650,000,000
SSJ2: 3,300,000,000
Ultimate: 120,000,000,000

Gotenks: 228,750,000
SSJ: 11,437,500,000
SSJ2: 22,875,000,000
SSJ3: 91,500,000,000

EoZ Arc:

Goku: 30,000,000,000
SSJ: 1,500,000,000,000
SSJ2: 3,000,000,000,000
SSJ3: 12 Trillion

 

[Goku9001]

It implies the gag wasn’t legit or Goku gets a way bigger than 50x boost or Gotenks gets smaller than 50x.

Which one you picking

Gotenks gets a smaller boost.

 

[SIAD]

Buu Arc:

Goku: 70,000,000
SSJ: 3,500,000,000
SSJ2: 7,000,000,000
SSJ3: 28,000,000,000

Vegeta: 68,900,000
SSJ: 3,445,000,000
SSJ2: 6,890,000,000

Gohan: 33,000,000
SSJ: 1,650,000,000
SSJ2: 3,300,000,000
Ultimate: 120,000,000,000

Gotenks: 228,750,000
SSJ: 11,437,500,000
SSJ2: 22,875,000,000
SSJ3: 91,500,000,000

EoZ Arc:

Goku: 30,000,000,000
SSJ: 1,500,000,000,000
SSJ2: 3,000,000,000,000
SSJ3: 12 Trillion

So Goku is stronger than Gohan at the end of DBZ?

 

[FeatsofPower]

Gotenks gets a smaller boost.

How do you know? No one mentions Gotenks getting a smaller boost.

 

[Dagon]

I've considered this idea before. It would really force invalidity of the base Gotenks post > SSJ Gotenks pre theory. It would fit better with the one guide statement that suggests Gotenks only got 3-6x stronger throughout the arc.

 

[FeatsofPower]

I've considered this idea before. It would really force invalidity of the base Gotenks post > SSJ Gotenks pre theory. It would fit better with the one guide statement that suggests Gotenks only got 3-6x stronger throughout the arc.

Yeah, I think I found the true manga debunk we've been looking for. EoZ Goku debunks the idea of Gotenks' power and proves it's a gag. This is our only true legitimate claim to really debunk the gag stuff. This is HUUUGEEE deal right here.

I think we've finally got it.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

But why does Goku have to be ~ Kid Boo? He's clearly way stronger with SSJ, so what's wrong with even base being more than enough?

Goku is so powerful now that he's gonna train his strongest foe just so he can have a challenge.

 

[ahill1]

Goku isn't confirmed to be the strongest at the EoZ. Firstly, they knew Gohan wasn't competing... And Goten and Trunks wouldn't fight as fusions. When they shockingly watched Goku vs Oob, they were just surprised the unknowm kid was keeping up with Goku, who was also fighting in base. As far as the OG manga goes, Goku wasn't implied to be stronger than Gohan or Gotenks there at the EoZ

 

[FeatsofPower]

Goku isn't confirmed to be the strongest at the EoZ. Firstly, they knew Gohan wasn't competing... And Goten and Trunks wouldn't fight as fusions. When they shockingly watched Goku vs Oob, they were just surprised the unknowm kid was keeping up with Goku, who was also fighting in base. As far as the OG manga goes, Goku wasn't implied to be stronger than Gohan or Gotenks there at the EoZ

Why is Goku so amped to train Oob?

 

[ahill1]

As for Oob, he would get excited training him whether he was above Gohan or not. First off, he got Gohan hadn't with his heart on training when Earth was at peace... He became a scholar. And Goten and Trunks just hadn't the same battle hunger as the Saiyans. He understands his sons have their own motivation and aren't driven by training like a pure blooded Saiyan. He wanted to become stronger training a prospect kid who had the desire to grow stronger... He saw in Oob the chance to train him to prepare for the next generation but most importantly, because he wanted to fight Oob all out when they both were at their 100%.... That doesn't mean necessarily he found in Oob a bigger challenger than in his kids... It's just that he knew his sons had other priorities and wouldn't force them to fight him or for Goten and Trunks to fuse and fight him. He saw in Oob the partner he wanted to battle when they were at 100%. He has no problems with Gohan being above him as he admitted in the RoSaT, as even one of his goals, nor he wants to prove and test himself against Gohan... Goku, as Vegeta admitted, wants to improve himself and test his strength, to improve to be better in general. It'd be very forced to have Gohan as a training partner in mind. He may know Gohan is above him but isn't a warrior at heart when Earth isn't in danger... So he sees Oob as a good parameter to test his strength, going against the developed warrior who seems to have the dream of a youngster and aspire to become stronger. It's about seeing a new prospect who, although weaker, can give him a funnier time than Gohan who, although stronger, isn't prioritising battle.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Akira Toriyama: The always pure strongest in the universe. Goku is #1 after all!

But actually the final status quo of the series is that Goku is a distant top 3? Yeah, no.

What's next? Goku isn't the strongest at the end of classic DB? I mean, Arale is still out there...

 

[ahill1]

"pure" strongest. #1. May be referring to strength in a general sense, he has the heart of the strongest... He doesn't give up and is always striving to improve himself with pure intentions.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

"pure" strongest. #1. May be referring to strength in a general sense, he has the heart of the strongest... He doesn't give up and is always striving to improve himself with pure intentions.

Exactly. It doesn’t have to be literal.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Being the strongest always means being the strongest, except when it’s not convenient.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Why does Goku want to train with Beerus?

Why wouldn’t Goku want to train with Gohan if Gohan was the strongest?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Goku trains with Whis, not with Beerus. And what would Gohan even teach him anyways?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Being the strongest always means being the strongest, except when it’s not convenient.

Nah, except when it contradicts every-thing else in the series and it can be interpreted in another way.