EoZ Goku proves Gotenks is Gag

[Fantastische Hure]

the best he can be

 

[SSJ2]

You guys are writing BoG and Super into this equation when the end of Z clearly retcons both of them.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

You mean the end of a series about a guy who wants to be the strongest?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

naaaaaaaaaaaaah. master-roshi's lesson at the beginning was never be complacent there is always some-one better out-there.

 

[SSJ2]

Stop talking out of your ass. Goku clearly expects Oob to be Pure Boo level which is never contradicted. You're trying to rewrite history in favour of Super. I'm fine with people using newer content in their arguments, but the end of Z should be considered off limits.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

This isn’t about Super, you guys are just using headcanon here. Gohan retires and the boys get criticized for not training. How are they stronger than Goku? Why? Based on what?

Goku becomes the strongest and goes for the next strongest guy, Oob. Kid Boo level is just the tip of the iceberg for his power.

 

[Hector]

Indeed

Quote.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Gohan having the highest-potential is canon.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Him slacking off is also canon.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

So? His potential is way too above Goku for Goku to be able to catch-up.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

But Gohan never unleashed his full potential since he’s still far below his Kid SSJ2 self.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

SSJ2 Gohan >>>…>>>…> (for extra emphasis) Ultimate Gohan >>>…>>>…> SSJ3 Goku

 

[SSJ2]

This isn’t about Super, you guys are just using headcanon here. Gohan retires and the boys get criticized for not training. How are they stronger than Goku? Why? Based on what?

Goku becomes the strongest and goes for the next strongest guy, Oob. Kid Boo level is just the tip of the iceberg for his power.

Gohan already had retired for 7 years, and while he lost power, there's no reason to suggest he would lose the bulk of his power here.

The 28th Budokai is pretty simple. Goku expects Pure Boo level fighter. Goku's expectations were met, and he was overpowered by Oob. Oob never exceeded his expectations, he simply met them. There's a pretty hard cap there on how strong Goku can be. Even if he's near equal to Pure Boo in Base, this is below the level of Base Gotenks post by a tremendous amount.

 

[Pakl]

Gohan wasn't even intended to be ultimate in BoG in the first place. They changed his look, but not the script. The fact that SSjin Gotenks goes after Beerus despite Vegeta getting his ass kicked implies SSjin Gotenks is stronger than SSjin 2 Vegeta.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Even if he's near equal to Pure Boo in Base, this is below the level of Base Gotenks post by a tremendous amount.

Well that’s the point. Base Gotenks can’t be that strong.

 

[Kyo]

But I can be

 

[SSJ2]

Well that’s the point. Base Gotenks can’t be that strong.

Why is it so outlandish for a fusion to be stronger than Goku in equal forms? Fusion is literally cheating.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Why is it so outlandish for a fusion to be stronger than Goku in equal forms? Fusion is literally cheating.

It's not at all.

But Goku > Gohan and Gohan > Gotenks. So Goku > Gotenks.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I don’t really think this says anything about Base Gotenks. Does Goku have to be = Oob? Sure, Oob gives him a fight, but Goku just cuts the fight short and says “I gotta train you”.

 

[FeatsofPower]

I don’t really think this says anything about Base Gotenks. Does Goku have to be = Oob? Sure, Oob gives him a fight, but Goku just cuts the fight short and says “I gotta train you”.

Goku > Gohan. Agree or disagree?