Freeza

[GreatSaiyaman123]

So

Kuririn: 200,000
Gohan: 250,000
Piccolo: 270,000

I remember once you said Android Saga Gohan shouldn’t even rival Weighted Piccolo… Does this apply here?

 

[Kyo]

It’s hard to make Gohan too weak. I dunno. I guess it can be done.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I think Gohan and Kuririn should be closer to 200k than to 300k. They feel like they’re leagues below Vegeta.

 

[Kyo]

They’d be leagues below Vegeta either way.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

If they’re like well over 50% it sounds too close. This is the closest Kuririn’s ever been to Vegeta.

 

[FeatsofPower]

I remember once you said Android Saga Gohan shouldn’t even rival Weighted Piccolo… Does this apply here?

We dont really have a choice. Unless you want to make Gohan 200k and Krillen 150k. That’s doable but I don’t know, I like making Gohan as strong as possible.

Hmmm, you got me thinking though for sure. What do you think?

Piccolo 275
Gohan 200
Krillen 150

Or

Piccolo 275
Gohan 250
Krillen 200

You might be right…

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Idk either man

@Kyo help

 

[Kyo]

I think you have some leeway to muddle the status quo in this arc because of Gohan's/Krillin's and Piccolo's different circumstances, but idk, I've already lost interest in this topic. I'll think about it more some other time.

 

[FeatsofPower]

I think you have some leeway to muddle the status quo in this arc because of Gohan's/Krillin's and Piccolo's different circumstances, but idk, I've already lost interest in this topic. I'll think about it more some other time.

Yeah, you got some leeway. But I don't know man. Piccolo is Piccolo. Imagine Freeza fighting vs them and Piccolo not being the captain of the ship.

Narrative and status quo mean more than logical progression of power levels. The only reason Piccolo is even this strong is because he literally can't be weaker than Krillen and Gohan. That's it.

@GreatSaiyaman123

I've leaning 70/30 to the new logic.

I got Gohan around 75% of Suppressed Weighted Piccolo in the Androids Saga, putting Gohan at 200k brings him right around that level once again.

It's probably the right move. But I'll digest this idea more.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I can live with 270/250/200. Gohan can be respectable here, Unweighted Piccolo blows him out of the water anyway.

This status quo thing is so arbitrary anyway. In the Vegeta Saga you got Tien at 80% of Piccolo. Isn’t that Tien ~ Weighted Piccolo?

 

[FeatsofPower]

I can live with 270/250/200. Gohan can be respectable here, Unweighted Piccolo blows him out of the water anyway.

It's definitely doable. But it's a little weird to think about Gohan and Krillen beating up Piccolo.

This status quo thing is so arbitrary anyway. In the Vegeta Saga you got Tien at 80% of Piccolo. Isn’t that Tien ~ Weighted Piccolo?

It's a bit more than that, it's narrative driven. It's why Base Vegeta > Piccolo makes so much sense in the Androids Saga. The author has a picture of how the characters match up against each other.

And yeah, I guess Tien ~ Weighted Piccolo, but that's only because we have such limited space and the author doesn't really plan things out all too well.

We have plenty of space to do proper spacing with Nappa being around 8k, but AT once again severely limits us.

I wonder if I should adjust Gohan's Masenko a bit to make room for things like I do with BoZ, but it is probably too much to do so.