ahill1 said:
When I brought these fights, I was just saying what fight fairly well means. I'd not say Trunks took the future Android to an extreme, but there's Trunks saying he could fight them fairly well; therefore, I'm not basing it in nothing, but in Trunk's own words.
There's no context to Trunks' words, which leaves the interpretation of the battle open.
I don't think there's such subjectiveness in "fairly well"... it means at least a somewhat competitive fight, that is, a non-ass kick gap. Goku can fight Cell fairly well, Freeza can fight SSJ Goku fairly well, etc.
Trunks can barely escape dealing with one Android.
A non-ass kick difference in power is all opinion. If someone says the difference between them and their opponent is huge, that they could barely deal with one Android, and that Super Saiyan means nothing because they were "absolutely outmatched", then it further shows that he most likely got his ass kicked in the battle.
He did not say that in the Androids saga though. He only said that regarding their powers before the Mecha Freeza saga.
Doesn't matter. He only fought them once, so everything said about them is in regards to how he compares to them in his mind.
That's not my point though. There are examples where "no match" means a large gap, yes, but like I showed, there are moments where "no match" is used when the weaker fighter can fight fairly well against the strongest (see Grandpa Gohan vs Goku). "No match" doesn't have to mean the weaker fighter is that much outclassed.
I know exactly what your point is. I just don't agree with it.
Like I said, this doesn't have to mean this.
Trunks could've easily threw in a "Well, I've improved a lot since then" and never did once. That goes to show that he still looked at the Future Androids the same way he did back when he fought them. As "monsters with power beyond imagination", like he said.
Ganging up would work according to Trunks' words. Trunks said they would never win until Goku gets better and they all fight together. So, ganging up could work, what might mean Trunks is not that weaker than the future Androids.
Trunks tells Vegeta they have absolutely no chance to win unless they wait for Goku so everyone can fight together. He's just saying that fighting together with Goku is their only chance at winning, not that they would definitely win with him.
You missed my point. According to you, Trunks did not fight the Androids again. So, the Androids were basing Trunks' strength on the last fight they had, when Trunks was not that much above Son Gohan (1 arm), who was not that much above less than half #17. But it happens Trunks (Androids saga) was >> Mecha saga Trunks.
The Androids not giving two shits about Trunks' strength is
my point. He's a non-factor to them and can be easily killed when going by #18 resorting to a simple Chi-blast. In their eyes, he can't do anything to them, meaning he's much weaker.
And like I said, Trunks only said he was absolutely no match for the Androids, which doesn't have to imply he could not fight them fairly well. "No match" was used in Goku vs Tao Pai Pai (when Tao could put up a fight), Grandpa Gohan vs Goku (when Grandpa Gohan could fight his grandson pretty well). Again, I'm not saying "no match" has to mean a close gap. Just saying Trunks pointing out he was no match doesn't have to mean he couldn't fight them fairly well.
-Says the Androids were a lot more powerful than him after believing he gained enough power to defeat them.
-Can barely escape fighting one Android, even though he can supposedly make both of them fight at full-power
-Believes they're monsters with power beyond imagination, but he's not much weaker than the Androids so their power can't be all that hard to imagine.
-Ignores Piccolo's admission of Vegeta possibly standing a chance against the Androids because his own Super Saiyan power was absolutely no match for the stupendous power of the Androids.
-Trunks can fight the Androids of his timeline because their power wasn't as outrageous as the Present Androids.
Takeaway: Trunks is a lot weaker than the Androids from both timelines. The Present Androids just have a bigger advantage than the Future Androds. That statement alone does not imply he's close to the Future Androids, so he can be weaker than both versions just fine. Trunks gives conflicting statements on the matter, so none of this is precise.
Trunks (Mecha): 160 million
Goku (Mecha): 180 million
Trunks (Android): 290 million
Goku (Android): 300 million
Vegeta (Android): 320 million
Piccolo: 250 million
Future #17: 400 million
Future #18: 390 million