Gap between Pre Merge Piccolo and Pre Rosat Trunks?

[ahill1]

My battle powers:

Vegeta SSJ : 100
Goku SSJ : 96
Trunks SSJ : 89
Piccolo : 77
#20 post : 66
#19 post : 60


All works out rather smoothly. [Mecha saga] Trunks would probably be at 54 or so.

 

[p123]

Add in

1) Vegeta Drained
2) Vegeta Drained Post BBA
3) Sick Goku
4) Sick Goku Post Kamehameha
5) Yardrat Goku
6) Trunks Mecha

 

[Victorious]

Why do I need to provide numbers of Vegeta and #19's fatigued levels? The point is Vegeta killed a not even close to full power #19 and Vegeta after the fight is not close to full power either. Therefor Piccolo stating Vegeta post fight would probably lose to #20 pre means nothing. #20 is a bum who after several absorbtions still got wrecked by Piccolo. The point is I don't see Vegeta's feats against #19 post that much more impressive than Piccolo's vs Gero.

 

[Victorious]

P u have 19 post 56% of Vegeta and then 20 post 85% of Piccolo? U see that much a difference in the two fights? Yeah right.

 

[p123]

Haha, if you are trying to get out of the numbers it's because you can't do it! Go ahead big shot, let's see you back up your thoughts numerically or shaddduppp!

Yep, major differences in that fight imo. We should do a fight comparison to see what's what. Unless you are scared to do that too?

 

[Victorious]

So Vegeta > #19 post is nearly the same as #17 > Piccolo? or initial Semi Cell > #16? Right. It is NOT that big a gap.

 

[p123]

Right. I can't make it happen numerically, hence why I'm creating threads for help...

19 Post vs Vegeta is quite the large gap though. 66% or so could be possible. Vegeta absolutely wrecks 19 with that double axe smash and creates a huge crater in the land.

 

[Victorious]

IMO the difference between the Piccolo vs 20 gap and Vegeta vs 19 gap can be about a 10% difference. Basically if u have Piccolo vs Gero 80% u can have Vegeta vs 19 70%...and so on. All ill say about the fights is that Vegeta vs #19 post looks smaller than Goku vs Recoome. Piccolo's gap over #20 post seems bigger than Monster Zarbon > Vegeta but smaller than Recoome over Vegeta.

 

[p123]

20 is able to catch himself mid air from that knee strike. 19 gets pummeled down into a crater from Vegeta's smash.

 

[Victorious]

Sure we'll continue on the new thread u made.

 

[ahill1]

I have #19 post at 60% of SSJ Vegeta. It COULD be less depending on how you see the fat androids' relationship with #20, but I don't think it NEEDS to be. Remember that Vegeta was generally nonchalantly going through #19's defense, punching him into the face, mocking him... he wasn't using effort at all and the only instance he seemed to put some level of effort was when punching (it wasn't exactly a punch, but dunno how to call that) #19 into the ground. #19 wasn't one shotted, sure, but you have to remember that he isn't an organic being, he doesn't feel pain like the others. That's the reason he got up like nothing after receiving a hell of a beatdown by sick Goku's hands, much to Yamcha's surprise. Tenshinhan explained that the reason he isn't affected by it is due to being a robot and consequently not feeling pain or fatigue. Sure that his strength also has a finger on it, but his body consitution also helps a lot.

So the fact that Goku could one-three shot the Ginyus doesn't necessarily mean anything in my book. The Ginyus are organic beings, they feel pain, and the only instance #19 seemed to be agonizing in pain was in an add-in scene in the anime. So I am perfectly fine with Vegeta's gap over #19 being the same as Goku's gap over Ginyu, although yeah, I do have Semi Cell's gap over #16 and #17's gap over Piccolo as considerably above than that (right at a 50/100 gap). Whilst you could still explain away Piccolo being one-shotted, #16 was still fully robot.

 

[p123]

I....

 

[ahill1]

I am fine with it being a 60/100 gap. Like I said, Goku one-shotting the Ginyus and Vegeta failing to do the same against #19 doesn't mean all that much. One could even argue Vegeta was dragging the fight a bit so he could be sure they sucked energy with the palms of their hands, but yeah, I don't think it was stated.

 

[p123]

Let's get this back on topic...

I think everyone agrees, Piccolo should be close, but if possible Trunks is closer to Vegeta than Piccolo is to Trunks. But it doesn't necessarily have to be so.

I think my comparison of Cell/Piccolo and the Androids is fine. It doesn't mean Vegeta has to be closer to Cell to make it work. There is some room here.

 

[ahill1]

I said here in this topic that I'd like for Trunks to be at a 1.2x advantage against Piccolo but ended up with the latter being at 88% of the Saiyajin in my BP list. I don't think it matters that much though so long as Piccolo is still noticeably outclassed. Do you think Piccolo is to the SSJs what Cell was to the androids, P? Android #18 would be like Trunks whilst #17 Vegeta?

 

[p123]

I don't have a problem with Piccolo somewhat rivaling Trunks. He wasn't put on a Super Saiyan level for no reason.

And yes, exactly...

Piccolo is to Trunks and Vegeta as Cell is to Kamiccolo and the Androids. That's a good comparison there right?

Piccolo rivals the weakest of the group, but is not in the group. Cell rivals the weakest in the group, but is still excluded from the group.

 

[ahill1]

How'd see a fight between Piccolo and Trunks undergoing? The same as Cell vs Piccolo, Zarbon vs Vegeta?

#16 stated that one of them (Piccolo, of course) is strong enough to rival you both (#17 and #18) in power. Don't you think that means Cell still doesn't rival #18?

 

[p123]

Yes, I'm ok with that...

1) Piccolo vs Trunks
2) Trunks vs Vegeta
3) Goku vs Cell
4) Cell vs Kamiccolo
5) Zarbon vs Vegeta
6) Kkx2 Goku vs Vegeta

I think that's all in a 87.5-90% range or so...

If Android 17 was dead, I'd expect the comment to be that Cell rivals Piccolo (Weighted) and 18.

 

[ahill1]

So you think #16's statement still fits with Cell rivaling #18 because he rivals the weakest and not both?

 

[p123]

Exactly. Cell rivals an Android, not the Androids. Same thing with Piccolo. He rivals a Super Saiyan, not the Super Saiyans.