Ginyu-Force (Other-World Filler) vs Imperfect-Cell (post-Ginger-Town)

[Fantastische Hure]

Somehow Freeza was surprised and said "since when did he get so..."

Who wins?

 

[Void]

Lol I think Goku originally turns Super Saiyan to knock out those Ginyu tools. Toei edited it so he wouldn't reveal Super Saiyan until he fights green man. I'll just say Filler Ginyu force for the hell of it.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Lol I think Goku originally turns Super Saiyan to knock out those Ginyu tools. Toei edited it so he wouldn't reveal Super Saiyan until he fights green man. I'll just say Filler Ginyu force for the hell of it.

If he really did turn Super-Saiyan it's even more baffling, since even Goku on Namek before any Zenkai took them out better than he did in the filler.

 

[Future Warrior]

Their probably way stronger than Goku was at Namek, but I have doubts on them being stronger than his Super Saiyan form.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Their probably way stronger than Goku was at Namek, but I have doubts on them being stronger than his Super Saiyan form.

Well, Goku on Namek could easily have one-shotted them. In-fact we saw it. Freeza only fought post-Zenkai Goku, yet he was still surprised. What the fack?

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Their probably way stronger than Goku was at Namek, but I have doubts on them being stronger than his Super Saiyan form.

Well, Goku on Namek could easily have one-shotted them. In-fact we saw it. Freeza only fought post-Zenkai Goku, yet he was still surprised. What the fack?

Maybe the Ginyus trained in Hell

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Their probably way stronger than Goku was at Namek, but I have doubts on them being stronger than his Super Saiyan form.

Well, Goku on Namek could easily have one-shotted them. In-fact we saw it. Freeza only fought post-Zenkai Goku, yet he was still surprised. What the fack?

Maybe the Ginyus trained in Hell

Yeah, I'm not sure either. Toei probably just haxxed them up. Makes no sense, though.

Do you think Ginyu-Force wins this?

 

[Diamond Ryan]

No, I think Cell would still beat them all. I don't see them as being that far above Namek SSj Goku, if at all.

 

[ahill1]

Freeza is surprised at the fact that Goku base one shotted them, which just implies base Goku on Namek wouldn't be even near to do it. They don't have to be that strong, that is, stronger than Androids saga SSJ Vegeta for istance to warrant such surprise from Freeza. Imperfect Cell (post Ginger Town) stomps.

 

[Future Warrior]

They don't have to be stronger than SS Goku, its just that he didn't realize he would fodderize the entire Ginyu Force in Base considering how strong they got. Idk to be honest

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I just read a thread again that said that Toei might have forgot that Goku never showed his true-power against the Ginyu-Force, so maybe retroactively Goku did show his true-power against them. 1 1 1

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Also:

Freeza is surprised at the fact that Goku base one shotted them, which just implies base Goku on Namek wouldn't be even near to do it. They don't have to be that strong, that is, stronger than Androids saga SSJ Vegeta for istance to warrant such surprise from Freeza. Imperfect Cell (post Ginger Town) stomps.

Freeza knew Goku could turn Super-Saiyan yet he send those idiots after Goku?

 

[ahill1]

Eeh I don't know, my memory of this filler is just screwed.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Eeh I don't know, my memory of this filler is just screwed.

Also look at the first post maybe, it says Toei originally had Goku turn Super-Saiyan, which'd make sense with Paikuhan's statement later, if so Freeza is surprised at Super-Saiyan Goku owning the Ginyu-Force.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

I suppose one could make the argument that Freeza was expecting Goku to get stronger, which wouled hax the Ginyu Force (and by extension, Freeza) to even higher levels.

@Fantastische Hure Obviously when Ginyu said Goku was at 60,000, he meant to say 60,000,000.

 

[ahill1]

Or the Ginyu force just got like 1,000x+ stronger training in hell

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I suppose one could make the argument that Freeza was expecting Goku to get stronger, which wouled hax the Ginyu Force (and by extension, Freeza) to even higher levels.

That's just mind-boggling. I wonder whether Toei even used their brains whilst making this.

 

[Future Warrior]

It's just hard to imagine Guldo being able to dominate any Super Saiyan in existence

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I suppose one could make the argument that Freeza was expecting Goku to get stronger, which wouled hax the Ginyu Force (and by extension, Freeza) to even higher levels.

@Fantastische Hure Obviously when Ginyu said Goku was at 60,000, he meant to say 60,000,000.

Now Freeza's surprise at Goku being stronger than Captain-Ginyu makes sense. 1 1 1

 

[Fantastische Hure]

It's just hard to imagine Guldo being able to dominate any Super Saiyan in existence

In Anime/Toei universe even Yamcha is Super-Saiyan tier.

BTW, does anyone remember in which episode that happened? Yamcha vs Olibu?