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Just finished the Black Swordsman arc. What I love about is, simply put it this arc doesn't suffer from any of the problems that arise later on in the series, Puck is his own character, he has plenty of serious moments while still being the much needed comedic relief to liven up the arc itself. The differences between Guts here, and Guts later on is stunning, character wise I would be privy to call them different characters, one is mean tempered, a general bastard who acts like shit to make sure people don't join up with him, but at the end of the day is a good man at heart. The other is more stoic, and silent. I know it's a slight difference, and calling the two different characters is an exaggeration, but it really is a dramatic change in characterization which affects the whole entirety of Berserk.

The main villain of this arc is fantastic, he's what Berserk needs more of. He's a monster, but we're well aware of why he become a monster, we're well aware of who he holds dear, and I love how in the end he sacrificed himself instead of sacrificing his daughter. And we're well aware of how far he fell with becoming a Demon.

I also love the moments of silence and stillness utilized in the story itself.
 

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Pretty well said, Gog. Where's the like button?

Anyway, I enjoy more Guts in the Black Swordsman arc. He is that sarcasric mister who doesn't really like helping and makes a case of being an ass to people who see him with good eyes, but is a good person in the bottom ofmhis heart (like you said), like when he visibly pitied the old fella, although in a way more discret way than Puck.

I also enjoyed more Puck than what he will become in the future, whereas he turned a complete gag character, appearing pretty much as a chest nut bastard and making fun of everything. Dunno where you are, but there's a point where Puck joins Isidro, turns a complete gag fairy and spoils even more the great series Berserk once was together that fucking bastard monkey kid. How I hate that monkey kid.

But what about [elf arc/Sorine] Guts? He also kind of feels like Guts from Black Swordsman, right? Constantly an ass to people (man, what he said to Jill), although I feel he was still a little more ammicable, dunno how to explain. Later he does change completely. Maybe because he was still kind of "regressed back" in the Black Swordsman arc due to the loss of his friends, dunno.

But yeah, Berserk turned out to be too light heartned afterwards and the BS and GA is how Berserk should be imo, with fun moments but with still that dark armosphere constantly hooked in it, and not just a "Guts, kill those 100000 monsters with your sword".
 

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I'll probably watch the original anime (and the 2016/2017 version) before I continue on with the manga, because I want to see what the original version is like, and well, I don't know why for the newer version.
 

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The newer version sucks, the animation is rather bad. The 1997 anime doesn't suffer from animation issues, but they censor too many happenings and it only covers the Golden Age.
 

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ahill1 said:
The newer version sucks, the animation is rather bad. The 1997 anime doesn't suffer from animation issues, but they censor too many happenings and it only covers the Golden Age.

I'm only watching the new version too torture myself, and as bragging rights. Eh, honestly I just want to see how well Berserk is adapted, the music, character VA's, whenever or not it managed to capture the impact of the series itself. That's a shame, would have enjoyed seeing the Black Swords man arc in an anime. Would have been fantastic.
 

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Yeah, in the 1997 anime they only do have Guts killing that first snake-demon and then they go back to the Golden Age.
 

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1997 Anime is very good. They take out a lot of key details from the manga, such as :donovan and leaving the Eclipse as a cliffhanger, though it still adapts the rest of the Golden Age material well enough that it's still a top tier anime.

The Golden Age movie trilogy is pretty lacklustre. Only good thing about it compared to the 1997 version is it not ending on a cliffhanger.

2016/17 is :trash only worth watching a few episodes of for the memes.
 

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Berserk: Episode one.

Honestly, this episode is damn good, it manages to capture the silence and loneliness of Guts life relatively quickly, the colors that are used pop, just like the manga and not only that it still manages to keep the grimy look that manga has to it as well. While not very impressive animation wise it really doesn't need to be all things considered, Berserk as a manga is rather picturesq it doesn't need to be animated well to impress, and the anime has (so far) understood that fact, and has maintained a quality near that of the manga by animating as much as necessary.

All in all it's a great episode.

Also, this episode leaves me with too many whys, and one what. Why is the Black Swords man arc one episode long? Why is there no Puck? Why has it been so changed up? Also, what the fuck is Griffith a king in the anime version?
 

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Pocket-Gog~ said:
Also, this episode leaves me with too many whys, and one what. Why is the Black Swords man arc one episode long? Why is there no Puck? Why has it been so changed up? Also, what the fuck is Griffith a king in the anime version?
Likely since the rest of the anime covers the Golden Age, thereby leaving no reason to include Puck. Not sure whether or not the line about Griffith being a king is dub-exclusive or not (assuming you were watching the dub), though at the point the anime was made, it was in around the Tower of Conviction or early Kushan Arc for the manga I believe, so it could've been the animators were simply making a guess due to Griffith becoming a God Hand member and having the means to take his own kingdom.
 

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Berserk: Episode 2.

Honestly, I feel as if the anime is damn good at managing to capture the impact and the dramatic feel of the manga superbly, the differences between the manga and anime are as I can say are, weird I don’t see any reason to change it because most of the time you won’t get a better scene than the source material. Like the Griffith V Guts battle, I preferred how the manga handled it. I was hoping to see the Griffith’s “I like you.” Line and face in the anime, as well as Guts “are you a homo?” moment.

Also, poo to the idea that :donovan didn’t appear in the anime, he just did in this episode in Guts flashback… Which admittedly I feel like was handled better than it was in the manga itself, it helps to build up suspense when you’re shown the outcome but you have no idea of how it ended up like that.
 

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Pocket-Gog~ said:
Berserk: Episode 2.

Honestly, I feel as if the anime is damn good at managing to capture the impact and the dramatic feel of the manga superbly, the differences between the manga and anime are as I can say are, weird I don’t see any reason to change it because most of the time you won’t get a better scene than the source material. Like the Griffith V Guts battle, I preferred how the manga handled it. I was hoping to see the Griffith’s “I like you.” Line and face in the anime, as well as Guts “are you a homo?” moment.

Also, poo to the idea that :donovan didn’t appear in the anime, he just did in this episode in Guts flashback… Which admittedly I feel like was handled better than it was in the manga itself, it helps to build up suspense when you’re shown the outcome but you have no idea of how it ended up like that.

I think Guts' flashback with Gambino was presented way better in the manga. The anime's portrayal of it is too short for us to have a real sense of Gambino's relationship with Guts, as well as Guts' feeling for the man he considered a father, with the lack of scenes like Gambino giving Guts the medicine, teaching him stuff on the battlefield and so on. I think it was too fast peaced for us to have a sense of how sad Guts must have felt.
 

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Which anime are you watching?
 

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ahill1 said:
How is the anime, Gog?

Need to get around to watching more of it.

Paladin said:
Why subject yourself to the anime?

I'm not watching the 2016 one, and even then the quality has dropped so much in the manga.

Super Saiyan said:
Which anime are you watching?

The one that isn't :trash
 

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