Gogeta's Analysis

[Alin]

Here's a much better analysis: http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8402385/1/

lol I gots warned in that thread.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Knowing that Vegito has two other transformation? I don't think so.

 

[Lord Brofist]

Let me ask you this, what's stopping Boo from being stronger than the initial Super Vegetto that shows up but then being dominated by a Vegetto that has powered up? I'll bring in the exact same point I've brought up with other fights.

Cell vs Vegeta.

No. 16 outright stated that Vegeta was superior to Cell in every way and yet without making a single notable power up Cell proved to be dominant to Vegeta in every single way. Why is it that this can't be said for Vegetto?

But here's the thing. Even if Gohan Boo was just straight up talking out of his butt and refusing to accept what was in front of him, that can't be said for Gotenks Boo. Even with his own confidence in beating a fusion of Goku and Gohan, he's also wary enough of the possibility that fusing could create a risk for him. It's clear that in this case, he's go this head very firmly on his shoulders and his heads not in the clouds thinking he's unstoppable and the fusion will never beat him.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Let me ask you this, what's stopping Boo from being stronger than the initial Super Vegetto that shows up but then being dominated by a Vegetto that has powered up? I'll bring in the exact same point I've brought up with other fights.[]

Unfortunately its Boo's arrogance that makes him loser.

Cell vs Vegeta.

No. 16 outright stated that Vegeta was superior to Cell in every way and yet without making a single notable power up Cell proved to be dominant to Vegeta in every single way. Why is it that this can't be said for Vegetto?

Krilin already noted that Cell was hiding his terrible power before the fight even started.

But here's the thing. Even if Gohan Boo was just straight up talking out of his butt and refusing to accept what was in front of him, that can't be said for Gotenks Boo. Even with his own confidence in beating a fusion of Goku and Gohan, he's also wary enough of the possibility that fusing could create a risk for him. It's clear that in this case, he's go this head very firmly on his shoulders and his heads not in the clouds thinking he's unstoppable and the fusion will never beat him.

Because Gohan himself is already half of his power. Fusion will multiply Gohan's power and he's going to get killed.

 

[Six Trails]

This "arrogant" argument is really grasping now.

Admitting Gohan is stronger than him is arrogant, huh? Saying a Goku + Gohan fusion is a risk to him? What an arrogant shit head!


I just realized something: SS2 Kid Gohan >>> SS2 Goku/Majin Vegeta

Piccolo was talking shit to Nappa before they fought, despite being much weaker. Piccolo is clearly very arrogant, we should ignore what he says, he's clearly fallible.

 

[Pakl]

I like how you all keep ignoring te evidence and resort to a quote of an arrogant villain which is clealy contradicted...

 

[Pyro]

Knowing that Vegito has two other transformation? I don't think so.

Absorption and Candy Beam have no discrimination against power level.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Boo used that after he's completely outclassed. The way he talk "I can't lose someone like you" which implied that he can win with his power.

 

[Lord Brofist]

You do realize Gohan has to drop himself down to Goku's level first right?

Nothing is contradicted either. Goku before learning about the Potara thinks that a fusion of him and Gohan will beat Gotenks Boo. Elder Kaioshin doesn't deny this and merely states that Boo's not going to let them take their sweet time to fuse. Gotenks Boo remarks that a fusion of the two won't beat him but also remains cautious nonetheless.

Put that all together and you have Fusion Gohkan>~Gotenks Boo. Boo's statement is not once contradicted.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

You do realize Gohan has to drop himself down to Goku's level first right?[]

Fair enough

Nothing is contradicted either. Goku before learning about the Potara thinks that a fusion of him and Gohan will beat Gotenks Boo. Elder Kaioshin doesn't deny this and merely states that Boo's not going to let them take their sweet time to fuse. Gotenks Boo remarks that a fusion of the two won't beat him but also remains cautious nonetheless.[]

Fair enough.

Put that all together and you have Fusion Gohkan>~Gotenks Boo. Boo's statement is not once contradicted

He thought he could beat Vegito and was contradicted by Vegito.[]

 

[Pyro]

Boo used that after he's completely outclassed. The way he talk "I can't lose someone like you" which implied that he can win with his power.

Why does that imply only his current power? He couldn't lose to someone like Gohan either and that turned into absorption.

 

[FutureProtagonist]

He thought he could beat Vegito and was contradicted by Vegito.[]

He was ignorant of the Potara's effects; he believed he could defeat Gogeta. That isn't contradicted. He figured out that Vegetto was stronger than him pretty quickly; his initial confidence in defeating Vegetto is no different from Cell believing he could defeat Gohan.

 

[Pyro]

Goku never agreed.. He thought SSjin Gokuhan can beat him

He never said that. He was questioning the effect of the Potara because he wasn't aware yet.

Plus, the other sources where Gogeta is mentioned prove he is wrong... His statement is vague and it's not like he knew how the fusion is gonna be.. He could of meant it's futile because Goku is weak compared to Gohan so the fusion won't work

At that point Boo doesn't know the Potara is any different than Fusion.

Why do you ignore the other things I posted?

There's nothing to ignore. Your other points don't really apply to myself. I don't base the gap between Gogeta and Gotenks on the gap between their respective pieces, and the "masters of the universe" comment doesn't mean much when it's a blatant comment on exactly what it says – Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan are the three strongest in the universe; it doesn't affect anybody else gap-wise, if that's your angle.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Why does that imply only his current power? He couldn't lose to someone like Gohan either and that turned into absorption.[]

He planned to beat Gohan by absorbing Gotenks. His planned was already made up before Gohan arrived.

Unlike his situation against Vegito, he was confidently beating Vegito by his own power and he didnt even plan by absorbing or candy beam.

He was ignorant of the Potara's effects; he believed he could defeat Gogeta. That isn't contradicted. He figured out that Vegetto was stronger than him pretty quickly; his initial confidence in defeating Vegetto is no different from Cell believing he could defeat Gohan.

How will Gogeta contradict him if he didn't existed?
He figured out Vegito was stronger than him after he got beaten not quickly.

 

[Pyro]

Why does that imply only his current power? He couldn't lose to someone like Gohan either and that turned into absorption.[]

He planned to beat Gohan by absorbing Gotenks. His planned was already made up before Gohan arrived.

Unlike his situation against Vegito, he was confidently beating Vegito by his own power and he didnt even plan by absorbing or candy beam.

He was ignorant of the Potara's effects; he believed he could defeat Gogeta. That isn't contradicted. He figured out that Vegetto was stronger than him pretty quickly; his initial confidence in defeating Vegetto is no different from Cell believing he could defeat Gohan.

How will Gogeta contradict him if he didn't existed?
He figured out Vegito was stronger than him after he got beaten not quickly.

Are you sure about that? He knew early on he couldn't win the traditional way, which is why he started resorting to tricks like the smoke and Kamikaze Ghosts. If he thought he could win just by fighting raw, that wouldn't have been necessary. I'll admit he was stubborn, but not ignorant.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

When you look the fight carefully. Boo didn't know what to do after he did everything he got. Simultaneously he just figured out how to beat Vegito by turning him into candy or absorbing him. In other words he thought he could beat him by his own power not his tactics.

 

[Pakl]

Bump

 

[p123]

Goku thinks a fusion between he and Gohan would win.

 

[Six Trails]

I think SS3 Gogeta is slightly stronger than Gohan-Boo, but not by enough that he could win with SS3's strain and Boo's limitless stamina and regeneration. In numbers it'd look like this:

SS3 Gogeta: 16
Gohan-Boo: 15
Gotenks-Boo: 13.5

Gogeta would have about the same gap over Gotenks-Boo that Goku had over Fat Boo, so I think Gogeta/Gokan would be able to reasonably beat Gotenks-Boo which fits with both Goku and Gohan-Boo's statements.

 

[GSM123]

Boo actually said Gogeta would be no match for him, so i think Boo can at least stomp Gogeta with some effort.

Personally i think SSJ2 Gogeta would be defeated with mid diff at best, but SSJ3 Gogeta would stomp Boo.