Gogeta's Placement

[kriss-]

He still considered it a possibility, he only suggested it when he coyly tried to convince Vegeta into performing it because he wasn't aware that he already knew about it; hence Goku's humorous expression in the scan above on the upper-left corner.

It doesn't mean that Super Boo was the only possible candidate for Gogeta to defeat, just that he was all that occurred at the time Goku suggested it, because he considered it when Boo was still mostly Boohan.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I don't have problem for Gogeta beating Boohan but Goku considering Gogeta against Boohan just contradict the whole context. He and Vegeta planned to turn Boohan to Super Boo by rescuing their sons and Piccolo which they succeeded doing it.

 

[kriss-]

They placed 'rescuing their sons' and 'weakening Boo' into two completely different subjects. They could either have one or both work or none at all.

Regardless, as soon as Goku learns about fusion he begins to consider it. I'd place his consideration about the Metamoran being effective in a completely different subject as well, since it didn't originally rely on the two subjects above.

 

[Six Trails]

Like I said it's directly stated that the Potora doesn't provide the rival boost, but instead is the result of the fusion of goku and vegeta.

Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P9.2-3
Context: as Vegetto beats up on Gohan-absorbed Boo
Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest.”

^ Are you talking about that? Because it seems more like Old Kaioshin praising their individual skills as warriors. If the Potara were giving them an extra boost for being rivals then it wouldn't make sense for Old Kaioshin to say that Potara weren't responsible for Vegetto being so strong.

So why wouldn't the metamorian also have it?

Because it's a completely different method of fusion? Why exactly would it have the same benefits as a type of fusion that is intended to be superior to it?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

There's no reason for Elder Kaioshin to call Kibito Kai an idiot since Potara made them so strong.

 

[Six Trails]

It's not the Potara. It's the fact that Goku and Vegeta are so strong individually. If two strong people fuse, then obviously their fusion will be strong too. What's not to get?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Yet, everyone thought that Potara is the main reason for Vegito being strong which is silly.

 

[kriss-]

I think the Potara would bring them back down to normal Chi, and would make them weaker than they are individually as Saiyan Gods. That's why it is such a useless piece of junk nowadays.

 

[Six Trails]

The topic is about Gogeta, not how the Potara would affect current Goku and Vegeta.

@ Saiyan

Nobody is saying that the Potara is the main reason. It's explicitly stated otherwise.

 

[kriss-]

Old Kaioshin put's emphasis on the Potara earrings being greater than the Metamoran dance, then he adds to this by saying that the product of the sum was also responsible for taking Vegetto even further than he would be under normal conditions. It is clear that both the Potara and Goku & Vegeta are equally responsible for making Vegetto so damn powerful.

 

[ahill1]

@One Piece Bus Ride

Are you talking about that? Because it seems more like Old Kaioshin praising their individual skills as warriors. If the Potara were giving them an extra boost for being rivals then it wouldn't make sense for Old Kaioshin to say that Potara weren't responsible for Vegetto being so strong.

With this, are not you agreeing that the Potara was not giving them an extra boost?

 

[ahill1]

It's not the Potara. It's the fact that Goku and Vegeta are so strong individually. If two strong people fuse, then obviously their fusion will be strong too. What's not to get?

I also don't get it. Vegetto > Gogeta, right? So the Potara is also one of the reasons to Vegetto's strength.

 

[kriss-]

I shouldn't say powerful, Vegetto is not powerful anymore.

 

[Six Trails]

With this, are not you agreeing that the Potara was not giving them an extra boost?

That is what I'm saying, yes. There was no extra boost on top of the standard boost from fusing.

I also don't get it. Vegetto > Gogeta, right? So the Potara is also one of the reasons to Vegetto's strength.

That's because the Potara have a greater effect than Fusion, regardless of what two people are using them.

Let me explain my point of view. Kibitoshin essentially thinks that Vegetto was so strong because of the Potara earrings, and he thinks that any two people using the Potara earrings would end up incredibly strong. Old Kaioshin corrects him by saying that the reason for Vegetto being so strong is because Goku and Vegeta (two individually strong people) are the ones using the earrings.

So basically all Old Kaioshin is saying that the reason Vegetto ended up so strong is because two strong people used the earrings. I don't get why some people construe it to mean that Goku and Vegeta are just so darn special that their fusions get some random magical boost that other people wouldn't get from fusing.

 

[Tapion]

I shouldn't say powerful, Vegetto is not powerful anymore.

Powerful he is, just not so much compared to the new guys.

 

[Papasmurf]

Goku and Vegeta's union via the Potara is no different than the fusion of two other people who are equally as strong as they are, and happen to be rivals as well. And two people who are stronger than that would produce an even more powerful fusion. I don't get how any of that translates to Goku and Vegeta producing some unmatched result that dwarfs all else. It's even explicitly stated the fusion got that strong because two of the three strongest people have fused, lol. meaning any two people above those three would make a Potara fusion that's even stronger.

 

[kriss-]

Two of the stop 3 masters, not two of the top 3 strongest.

 

[Papasmurf]

Basically the same thing in a martial arts manga centered around fighting and training k

 

[ahill1]

With this, are not you agreeing that the Potara was not giving them an extra boost?

That is what I'm saying, yes. Their was no extra boost on top of the standard boost from fusing.

I also don't get it. Vegetto > Gogeta, right? So the Potara is also one of the reasons to Vegetto's strength.

That's because the Potara have a greater effect than Fusion, regardless of what two people are using them.

Let me explain my point of view. Kibitoshin essentially thinks that Vegetto was so strong because of the Potara earrings, and he thinks that any two people using the Potara earrings would end up incredibly strong. Old Kaioshin corrects him by saying that the reason for Vegetto being so strong is because Goku and Vegeta (two individually strong people) are the ones using the earrings.

So basically all Old Kaioshin is saying that the reason Vegetto ended up so strong is because two strong people used the earrings. I don't get why some people construe it to mean that Goku and Vegeta are just so darn special that their fusions get some random magical boost that other people wouldn't get from fusing.

I see. But if the Potara has a greater effect than the fusion, so the Potara is also one of the reasons of Vegetto's strength, alongside with Goku and Vegeta being too strong. One thing doesn't prevents the other imo.

Also, old Kai said "what's more, they're rivals. That's difinitely the strongest" or something like this, I guess. That's not the same as saying that being rivals create a strong fusion?

 

[kriss-]

Basically the same thing in a martial arts manga centered around fighting and training k

Ultimate Gohan and Gotenks and Piccolo were all dead at the time the statement was made. Since, you are using it to reference strength, then according to your logic:

Goku & Vegeta are in the same league as Ultimate Gohan, and stronger than Gotenks.