Goku base (beginning of GT) vs Gotenks Base (post RoSaT)

[ahill1]

Goku in base after finishing his training with Oob vs base Gotenks after his RoSaT trip.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Base Gotenks is a joke, that punk proved to be a loser and is all about hyped that's all. Base Goku would tool him like he did against his sons.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

What's the point of making such threads, since Tosh is not here anymore?

 

[ahill1]

It seems Goku, by the end of Z, was already coming close to Kid Boo's tier of power, so it depends on how much you think he improved in five years training with Oob. IMO he powered up by a pretty good amount, to which I think it'd be a good fight.

If you go with Goku > Gohan due to Trunks not contradicting Pan when she says his grandfather is the strongest on Earth, then Goku should likely be above base Gotenks here, unless Goku was already stronger than his BoGT self by that time. Can't remember.

 

[VampireWicked]

Wasn't base KidGoku strong enough to take on Frieza & PerfectCell.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Goku is the strongest by the EOZ, that's more fitting as ending.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Wasn't base KidGoku strong enough to take on Frieza & PerfectCell.

That was during the Super #17 Arc, at which point his SSJ form was above Super Oob and both the villains ought to be above Gohan Boo due to being implied to be > Rild.

On topic, Goku stomps. I have Base Goku rivalling SSJ Gotenks (post) at that point, considering it's implied not only that SS3 Goku (BoGT) > Ultimate Gohan, but also it makes his gains on Planet M2 less ridiculous if you're as minimal as possible.

 

[VampireWicked]

Wasn't base KidGoku strong enough to take on Frieza & PerfectCell.

That was during the Super #17 Arc, at which point his SSJ form was above Super Oob and both the villains ought to be above Gohan Boo due to being implied to be > Rild.

On topic, Goku stomps. I have Base Goku rivalling SSJ Gotenks (post) at that point, considering it's implied not only that SS3 Goku (BoGT) > Ultimate Gohan, but also it makes his gains on Planet M2 less ridiculous if you're as minimal as possible.

Yes but shouldn't Goku being reduced to Kid size also be taken in consideration as it reduced his power level example he couldn't maintain SuperSaiyan 3 & needed to go full adult for SuperSaiyan 4.

Goku is the strongest by the EOZ, that's more fitting as ending.

I agree with that.

 

[Spiral-Force]

Yes but shouldn't Goku being reduced to Kid size also be taken in consideration as it reduced his power level example he couldn't maintain SuperSaiyan 3 & needed to go full adult for SuperSaiyan 4.

Goku didn't lose any power from being turned into a kid, just stamina.

GT Perfect Files Vol.1

Son Goku
In this form, he fought with Redjic, General Rild, Super Baby, and others!! His body’s strength doesn’t seem to be any different than when he was an adult, but apparently his small body has diminished his stamina.

Source: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14812

His stamina got a lot better when he got his tail pulled out, though.

 

[Six Trails]

Goku is the strongest by the EOZ, that's more fitting as ending.

Nah.

 

[Six Trails]

considering it's implied not only that SS3 Goku (BoGT) > Ultimate Gohan

Are you basing that off Pan's statement in episode 9? Because if so, wouldn't SS3 Goku have to be stronger than even SS2 Gohan for the statement to actually be true?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Goku is the strongest by the EOZ, that's more fitting as ending.

Nah.

Why not? It's been 10 years since Boo arc and Goku kept training for Uub while Gohan quits fighting and focus his studies. Goku will always be the strongest.

 

[ahill1]

considering it's implied not only that SS3 Goku (BoGT) > Ultimate Gohan

Are you basing that off Pan's statement in episode 9? Because if so, wouldn't SS3 Goku have to be stronger than even SS2 Gohan for the statement to actually be true?

Yeah, that'd most likely make Goku above Gohan SSJ2, who should be way more powertul than base Gohan, who is likely above Ultimate Gohan. So Goku SSJ3 would be what, Boohan's level? I don't think there's something contradicting it though, as M2 base Goku is > Boohan.

 

[Six Trails]

So Goku SSJ3 would be what, Boohan's level?

He'd be way higher. Assuming "standard" GT Super Saiyan multipliers, SS3 Goku would be over 3x stronger than Base Gohan, while Gohan-Boo isn't even 2x Base Gohan.

 

[Six Trails]

Why not? It's been 10 years since Boo arc and Goku kept training for Uub while Gohan quits fighting and focus his studies. Goku will always be the strongest.

I don't follow ideas because "why not?".

Tenshinhan kept training too, and he never even surpassed Krillin. "Kept training" just isn't a good enough reason, especially given that Gohan was leagues above Goku in the Boo arc.

 

[VampireWicked]

Yes but shouldn't Goku being reduced to Kid size also be taken in consideration as it reduced his power level example he couldn't maintain SuperSaiyan 3 & needed to go full adult for SuperSaiyan 4.

Goku didn't lose any power from being turned into a kid, just stamina.

GT Perfect Files Vol.1

Son Goku
In this form, he fought with Redjic, General Rild, Super Baby, and others!! His body’s strength doesn’t seem to be any different than when he was an adult, but apparently his small body has diminished his stamina.

Source: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14812

His stamina got a lot better when he got his tail pulled out, though.

So base Goku was strong enough to face 50% Frieza & PerfectCell.

 

[Six Trails]

Yes but shouldn't Goku being reduced to Kid size also be taken in consideration as it reduced his power level example he couldn't maintain SuperSaiyan 3 & needed to go full adult for SuperSaiyan 4.

Goku didn't lose any power from being turned into a kid, just stamina.

GT Perfect Files Vol.1

Son Goku
In this form, he fought with Redjic, General Rild, Super Baby, and others!! His body’s strength doesn’t seem to be any different than when he was an adult, but apparently his small body has diminished his stamina.

Source: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14812

His stamina got a lot better when he got his tail pulled out, though.

So base Goku was strong enough to face 50% Frieza & PerfectCell.

But Beers said that the Base Saiyajins never surpassed Freeza.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Why not? It's been 10 years since Boo arc and Goku kept training for Uub while Gohan quits fighting and focus his studies. Goku will always be the strongest.

I don't follow ideas because "why not?".

Tenshinhan kept training too, and he never even surpassed Krillin. "Kept training" just isn't a good enough reason, especially given that Gohan was leagues above Goku in the Boo arc.

Comparing Goku's training to Tienshinhan's training is laughable. Gohan was stronger than Goku during CG then 7 years later bam!!! Goku is the strongest again along with his SSjin3 form! Gohan is not unsurpassable deal with it.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Are you basing that off Pan's statement in episode 9? Because if so, wouldn't SS3 Goku have to be stronger than even SS2 Gohan for the statement to actually be true?

It could easily be assumed Gohan regained SSJ at the time in which Pan, Goku and Trunks were in space if trying to align things with that statement. Either that, or Goku's SS3 multiplier was plot haxed at that point just like SSJ Vegetto was in GT's scaling.

 

[Six Trails]

Comparing Goku's training to Tienshinhan's training is laughable. Gohan was stronger than Goku during CG then 7 years later bam!!! Goku is the strongest again along with his SSjin3 form! Gohan is not unsurpassable deal with it.

Why is it laughable? Bootenks called Tien a master.

He's not unsurpassable, but with no actual evidence that he was surpassed by the end of Z, then the status quo from the Boo arc should be assumed.

It could easily be assumed Gohan regained SSJ at the time in which Pan, Goku and Trunks were in space if trying to align things with that statement. Either that, or Goku's SS3 multiplier was plot haxed at that point just like SSJ Vegetto was in GT's scaling.

I think the second explanation makes more sense. Personally, I just don't take the statement at face value, but that's a feasible explanation as well.