Goku (vs Freeza)

[Super Neko Majin Z]

"True form Frieza" would satisfy everyone, I think.

 

[freezamite]

"True form Frieza" would satisfy everyone, I think.

I agree, but I don't have a problem if you count Freezer's forms in the same order we see them either. It's just that to me, it's much easier (and faithful to the character) to count his forms starting with the original/true one, because then when it comes to powerscale in further sagas that's helpful and really puts things into perspective.
But as I've said, as long as we all understand each other I don't have a problem in the way Freezer's forms are counted.

 

[Pyro]

Calm your fucking nuggets, you dolts.

 

[p123]

Do your fucking job Chet, ban that fool.

Ahill, what's the current numbers we got now for this situation>?

 

[ahill1]

I'd still go with 7,000,000 for base Goku, considering I'm operating under the belief of base Goku (warm up over) >> base Goku (initial). It still can change if one thinks Goku used Kaioken against non hands Freeza, which is possible.

 

[p123]

Show me your whole list starting from 1st Form Freeza to Super Saiyan Goku.

 

[ahill1]

Freeza (1st form) 530,000

Gohan (Zenkai) 900,000

Freeza 2nd form (initial) 1,060,000

Freeza 2nd form (powered up) 1,272,000

Piccolo (weighted) 1,325,000

Freeza 2nd form (full power) 1,590,000

Piccolo (full power) 1,650,000

Freeza 3rd form 2,250,000

Vegeta (Zenkai) 3,375,000

Freeza final form (initial) 3,800,000

Freeza final form (spanking Vegeta) 5,400,000

Freeza final form (underestimating Goku) 3,800,000

Freeza (warm up/vs Goku) 5,400,000

Freeza (without hands, serious) 7,700,000

Goku (initial) 5,000,000

Goku (serious) 7,000,000
~Kaioken x10 70,000,000
~Kaioken x20 140,000,000

Freeza (50%) 165,000,000
~70% 231,000,000
~100% 330,000,000

Goku Super Saiyajin 350,000,000



How do these look?

 

[p123]

Looks pretty good so far, I'd have to check the percentages later.

 

[freezamite]

Looks pretty good so far, I'd have to check the percentages later.

Characters don't lose strength with the injuries.
Magical and invisible Kaioh Ken activations.
Magical powers for the characters, that suddenly can adapt to those Kaioh Ken activations.
Manga feats directly contradicted (40 tons feat, # of absorbed people by Cell feat).

And you say it's pretty good? Well, it's pretty good if you just erase the manga from existence LoL

 

[Zippy]

Its good if we erase your existance

 

[freezamite]

Its good if we erase your existance

In that case the manga would still say the same, and the next time another user with proper reading comprehension decides to register in this forum you'll have the exact same problem. You can ragequit in peace now

 

[Zippy]

Its good if we erase your existance

In that case the manga would still say the same, and the next time another user with proper reading comprehension decides to register in this forum you'll have the exact same problem. You can ragequit in peace now

Too bad not every poster will have the same reading disability as you

 

[freezamite]

Its good if we erase your existance

In that case the manga would still say the same, and the next time another user with proper reading comprehension decides to register in this forum you'll have the exact same problem. You can ragequit in peace now

Too bad not every poster will have the same reading disability as you

You mean that disability that forced you to rage quit after realising you couldn't support your stance with proper arguments? Well, I'm sure I'm not the best reader out there, but I'm happy being clearly better than you 2

 

[xmysticgohanx]

I'd still go with 7,000,000 for base Goku, considering I'm operating under the belief of base Goku (warm up over) >> base Goku (initial). It still can change if one thinks Goku used Kaioken against non hands Freeza, which is possible.

What would it change to

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

Magical and invisible Kaioh Ken activations.

You mean like the one you think Goku did against Frieza the moment he got there?

 

[freezamite]

Magical and invisible Kaioh Ken activations.

You mean like the one you think Goku did against Frieza the moment he got there?

Nope, I mean even more invisible and magical Kaioh Ken activations. The one you're talking about wasn't completely invisible (to the reader), because Kaio stated it so that's there.
The ones I'm speaking of are completely invisible to the reader (they don't have any impact on the fight, nobody notices them, nobody says anything about them), nearly at the same level of Pilaf's SSJ transformation at chapter 15 of the manga.

 

[Zippy]

In that case the manga would still say the same, and the next time another user with proper reading comprehension decides to register in this forum you'll have the exact same problem. You can ragequit in peace now

Too bad not every poster will have the same reading disability as you

You mean that disability that forced you to rage quit after realising you couldn't support your stance with proper arguments? Well, I'm sure I'm not the best reader out there, but I'm happy being clearly better than you 2

Lul id rather not damage my own brain cells talking to you

 

[freezamite]

You mean that disability that forced you to rage quit after realising you couldn't support your stance with proper arguments? Well, I'm sure I'm not the best reader out there, but I'm happy being clearly better than you 2

Lul id rather not damage my own brain cells talking to you

Don't worry about loosing the last functional neuron (brain cell says the kid, do you even know what a brain is? Rhetoric question, it's obvious you don't) you may have, being unable to understand a manga as simple as DB already means that your thinking process doesn't work and can't be fixed

 

[Diamond Ryan]

You mean that disability that forced you to rage quit after realising you couldn't support your stance with proper arguments? Well, I'm sure I'm not the best reader out there, but I'm happy being clearly better than you 2

Lul id rather not damage my own brain cells talking to you

Don't worry about loosing the last functional neuron (brain cell says the kid, do you even know what a brain is? Rhetoric question, it's obvious you don't) you may have, being unable to understand a manga as simple as DB already means that your thinking process doesn't work and can't be fixed

How do you loosen brain cells?

 

[p123]

They need to promote me to be the mod there, Make Neo Great Again