Goku (vs Freeza)

[freezamite]

Are you saying that the power of Goku Base (Boo) was 400,000?

Then as it is possible that Goku SSJ2 (Boo) = Majin Vegeta SSJ2. According to your logic, the power of Vegeta (Fourth Zenkai), should be at least> Piccolo (Fused with Neil).

What about the Base children and with a very uncomfortable suit, fighting at the same level as # 18

I don't see any problem with that. The SSJ is not a fixed multiplier and it's strength varies depending on the control a fighter has over his ki. What Goku lacked in strength it more than compensated in terms of ki control.
That idea is further reinforced in Battle of Gods when an enraged SSJ2 Vegeta surpasses a SSJ3 Goku despite the SSJ3 being a more refined transformation.

Regarding the kids, they were naturally born SSJ (FP SSJ) so it's only logical they were much, much stronger than Android 18 (in fact they attack with low strength in order to not kill her by accident).

 

[SIAD]

HAHAHAHAH I think we found our new Toshit!

Not even, at least Tosh had Freezer 100% (Namek) with 120,000,000 and Goku Base (Boo) with 100,000,000. In addition Tosh agreed that Oob (Enraged) was at the level of Kid Boo.

While freezamite says that Freezer 100% (Namek) has a power of 12,000,000 and Goku Base never exceeds 400,000. Also denies that Oob (Enraged) is at the level of Kid Boo.

 

[p123]

Honestly, doesn't this guy's ridiculousness call for at least a week ban or something? We can't allow such retardation to occur, can we?

 

[SIAD]

Honestly, doesn't this guy's ridiculousness call for at least a week ban or something? We can't allow such retardation to occur, can we?

I agree.

 

[freezamite]

Also denies that Oob (Enraged) is at the level of Kid Boo.

Hey, wait a second, doesn't the manga say this?

Do you even know your facts?

Honestly, doesn't this guy's ridiculousness call for at least a week ban or something? We can't allow such retardation to occur, can we?

Now that I remember, weren't you the retarded that said that between you and the manga it's you who we have to go with?

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

1st Form Frieza (for reference): 1
Piccolo: 1.7
Vegeta: 2.5
Goku: 3

where a 20% advantage is enough to curbstomp.

Also, I don't think Freezamite should be banned. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with him at all, but as someone who has some weird power levels of his own I don't think you should ban someone just because their opinions don't match up with everyone's. I am a little tired of every Laboratory thread turning into DBZeta vs Freezamite, but banning him doesn't seem like the right solution.

 

[SIAD]

I really get tired of arguing with Freezamite. The truth is the only user I have met who believes that the power of Goku Base, never exceeded 400,000.

That means Freezer First Form> Goku Base (Boo).

This time it would not surprise me that Freezamite, make the numbers of Scouters with DB.

 

[freezamite]

I really get tired of arguing with Freezamite. The truth is the only user I have met who believes that the power of Goku Base, never exceeded 400,000.

That means Freezer First Form> Goku Base (Boo).

Goku Base could exceed 400.000. He was 300.000 when he started to fight Freezer, but he surely had a power up when he got enraged.
The only feat we have to determine how strong base Goku is after the rage boost is the 40 tons feat.
With 90.000 Goku could perfectly support a weight of 6 tons and still move somewhat comfortably.
At 300.000, that would be 20 tons more or less while being able to move, but Goku could barely lift 40 tons in the bu saga (that for him would be like supporting a 700G gravity more or less) so between 300.000 and 450.000 seems a good number.

Now, I'm also getting a bit tired of people contradicting what's said in the manga because they think are better authorities when it comes to DB than the manga itself.

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

You know, I didn't think you were that bad, just someone with a different opinion, but as I look around this forum and your posts on the Internet in general, I'm starting to understand how much of a prick you are. And that's coming from me. If I check my userpage and I find out you've neg-repped me, that just proves my point, doesn't it.

I'm in favor of a ban here. It's been fun, but I'm tired of you overrunning every goddamn thread, and I don't think I'm the only one.

 

[freezamite]

You know, I didn't think you were that bad, just someone with a different opinion, but as I look around this forum and your posts on the Internet in general, I'm starting to understand how much of a prick you are.

Not having the official opinion -> being a prick.

but I'm tired of you overrunning every goddamn thread

Every goddamn thread = less than 10 threads in more than 1 week I've been posting in here. I think you've overrun more threads than me in the same time. Don't worry, you're not the first one that gets angry when someone doesn't think like him, but when I checked the rules having a different opinion wasn't a reason to ban anyone.

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

You know, I didn't think you were that bad, just someone with a different opinion, but as I look around this forum and your posts on the Internet in general, I'm starting to understand how much of a prick you are.

Not having the official opinion -> being a prick.

I literally just said that wasn't the reason why. I have weird opinions on power levels too.

Don't worry, you're not the first one that gets angry when someone doesn't think like him,

That's why you're a prick. You talk down to anyone who doesn't agree with you. I'd be a little more forgiving if I hadn't looked up your username. Three years ago, we were both condescending douchenozzles. I've tried to change, but from the looks of things you haven't.

 

[freezamite]

That's why you're a prick. You talk down to anyone who doesn't agree with you. I'd be a little more forgiving if I hadn't looked up your username. Three years ago, we were both condescending douchenozzles. I've tried to change, but from the looks of things you haven't.

The fact is that you'll never find a post of mine talking down to anyone only because he doesn't agree with me. I've talked down to you because you've asked my ban arguing that I've posted in a lots of threads something you don't like, but it happens that you've posted in more threads than me during that same period of time. In other words, you don't like what I'm saying and you ask for my ban, that's censoring and the excuse of "being in all the threads" doesn't have any weight when you've been at more threads than me.

 

[SIAD]

I really get tired of arguing with Freezamite. The truth is the only user I have met who believes that the power of Goku Base, never exceeded 400,000.

That means Freezer First Form> Goku Base (Boo).

Goku Base could exceed 400.000. He was 300.000 when he started to fight Freezer, but he surely had a power up when he got enraged.
The only feat we have to determine how strong base Goku is after the rage boost is the 40 tons feat.
With 90.000 Goku could perfectly support a weight of 6 tons and still move somewhat comfortably.
At 300.000, that would be 20 tons more or less while being able to move at high. Goku could barely lift 40 tons in the bu saga (that for him would be like supporting a 700G gravity more or less) so between 300.000 and 450.000 seems a good number.

Now, I'm also getting a bit tired of people contradicting what's said in the manga because they think are better authorities when it comes to DB than the manga itself.

The feat of Goku Base (Boo) with the dumbbells is stuffed with Anime, therefore the manga never holds that.

 

[freezamite]

The feat of Goku Base (Boo) with the dumbbells is stuffed with Anime, therefore the manga never holds that.

No, that feat is from the manga. DBZ chapter 234:
http://mangalife.org/read-online/Dragon-Ball-chapter-234-index-2-page-10.html

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

He's got you there, SIAD. People are constantly bitching about 40 tons, but it's not inconsistent at all. The highest gravity I ever saw was 500x, IIRC, and I have a nagging feeling even that was filler. Even if Goku trained in it, he'd only weigh 34.25 tons according to his official weight. I don't get why people hate the 40 tons feat but they're okay with the fairly low gravities in the series.

Freezamite, I'm sorry.

 

[freezamite]

He's got you there, SIAD. People are constantly bitching about 40 tons, but it's not inconsistent at all. The highest gravity I ever saw was 500x, IIRC, and I have a nagging feeling even that was filler. Even if Goku trained in it, he'd only weigh 34.25 tons according to his official weight. I don't get why people hate the 40 tons feat but they're okay with the fairly low gravities in the series.

Freezamite, I'm sorry.

Yeah, a lot of people doesn't like the 40 tons feat because it seems that someone able to destroy planets should be able to lift much more than that without even sweating, but the internal logic of a manga/series hasn't to be consistent with real life feats and as you say, it's perfectly coherent with the gravities we see them training in the series.
Regarding the highest gravity, I think it's mentioned in the manga that Vegeta asked for a 300G gravity machine (I should check if that's true now because it may have been anime filler, but 300G for base Vegeta is perfectly fine).

Finally, thank you very much for your apologies and I'm sorry if I've seemed somewhat offensive because of how I write my messages (it wasn't my intention).
I discovered Dragon Ball through the manga and I didn't see the anime until much later, and I think that's why I have a different vision of the series than most people here. My intention is not to offend anyone, it's just to share my view of the series and discuss it with people that are also fans and have a bit of fun while doing it.

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

Yeah, I sometimes think I don't read the manga enough. I'll be honest, I've never read the Buu Arc manga at all.

 

[freezamite]

Yeah, I sometimes think I don't read the manga enough. I'll be honest, I've never read the Buu Arc manga at all.

I recommend it. The beginnings of the Bu saga (except for the chapters of Gohan protecting the city and hiding from Videl, that are fun) are the weakest of the whole manga because it still had that Cell mature tone but without a good plot behind to give it consistency, but once Toriyama decided to change the tone of it and turn it into a funny, full of jokes saga, the quality of it rose dramatically and I think that in overall terms it's the funniest arc to read.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

It's common for stated weights to drastically undercut feats

Heck in HxH Netero is stated to barely surpassed sound yet a far weaker Cheetu has a feat of cutting the fingers off of 5ish police officers about 20 feet away in the same time it took for a bullet to pass by the length of his head (he didn't move till the bullet almost touched him and Togashi was nice enough to leave an outline of Cheetu where he was before he moved)

 

[SIAD]

The feat of Goku Base (Boo) with the dumbbells is stuffed with Anime, therefore the manga never holds that.

No, that feat is from the manga. DBZ chapter 234:
http://mangalife.org/read-online/Dragon-Ball-chapter-234-index-2-page-10.html

Right, completely forget that scene. But even so, the feats of weight do not think they are linear.