Gotenks At Face Value Numbers

[FeatsofPower]

Let's see how bad it looks.

Without looking at the numbers, I love the Base Post > Ssj Pre > Base Pre > Majin Vegeta chain, let's keep the 50x boost and see what happens, numbers be damned...

Majin Vegeta 100
Base Gotenks 160
Super Saiyan 3 Goku 7,500
Super Saiyan Gotenks 8,000


Majin Vegeta is 62.5% of Base Gotenks, explaining why he's nowhere near Majin Buu, but also why he should at least have some confidence heading into the battle. Surely he would recognize being weaker than Majin Vegeta wouldn't warrant any chance of victory.


Super Saiyan is a 50x boost, Super Saiyan 3 is a 75x boost.


Majin Vegeta 100
Base Gotenks 160
Super Saiyan 3 Goku 7,500
Super Saiyan Gotenks 8,000
Base Gotenks Post/Expected Super Buu 15,000
Super Saiyan Gotenks 750,000
Super Saiyan 2 3,750,000
Super Saiyan 3 281,250,000


This is what we end up with for having a Super Saiyan as a 50x boost, Super Saiyan as a 5x boost, and Super Saiyan 3 as a 75x boost.


Perhaps our best option is to view Super Saiyan as a potential unlock rather than a multiplier and not be so limited by such arbitrary things like a boost of power.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Why not SSJ Gotenks >>>> SSJ3 Goku?

 

[Cirno777]

What's the problem? Big numbers go boom

 

[Yoshi]

I think you’re overestimating SSJ3 Gotenks compared to SSJ3 Goku. He should be anywhere in the x1,000 range, not x10,000 or x100,000 like you seem to be suggesting.

 

[Cirno777]

What's the reason for SSJ2 being 5x SSJ, and SSJ3 being 75x SSJ2?

 

[Classic Adamas]

What's the reason for SSJ2 being 5x SSJ, and SSJ3 being 75x SSJ2?

 

[Goku9001]

Majin Vegeta 100
Base Gotenks 160
Super Saiyan 3 Goku 7,500
Super Saiyan Gotenks 8,000


Majin Vegeta is 62.5% of Base Gotenks, explaining why he's nowhere near Majin Buu, but also why he should at least have some confidence heading into the battle. Surely he would recognize being weaker than Majin Vegeta wouldn't warrant any chance of victory.


Super Saiyan is a 50x boost, Super Saiyan 3 is a 75x boost.


Majin Vegeta 100
Base Gotenks 160
Super Saiyan 3 Goku 7,500
Super Saiyan Gotenks 8,000
Base Gotenks Post/Expected Super Buu 15,000
Super Saiyan Gotenks 750,000
Super Saiyan 2 3,750,000
Super Saiyan 3 281,250,000


This is what we end up with for having a Super Saiyan as a 50x boost, Super Saiyan as a 5x boost, and Super Saiyan 3 as a 75x boost.


Perhaps our best option is to view Super Saiyan as a potential unlock rather than a multiplier and not be so limited by such arbitrary things like a boost of power.

Let me take a swing at it.

Base Gotenks 90
Majin Vegeta 100
Super Saiyan 3 Goku 800
Super Saiyan Gotenks 900

Base Gotenks Post/Expected Super Buu 1,500
Super Saiyan Gotenks 15,000
Super Saiyan 2 Gotenks 21,500
Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks 37,500

 

[Yoshi]

What's the reason for SSJ2 being 5x SSJ, and SSJ3 being 75x SSJ2?

Well that explains a lot.

 

[FeatsofPower]

What's the reason for SSJ2 being 5x SSJ, and SSJ3 being 75x SSJ2?

It’s a placeholder ssj2 can be what you want this is about the relation between super Saiyan and ssj3. Ssj2 is irrelevant to this discussion

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Estimated SSJ Gotenks Post = 4.000
SSJ3 Gotenks = 600
Super Buu = 564
SSJ3 Goku = 400
SSJ Gotenks Post = 400
Estimated Base Gotenks = 320
Fat Buu = 320
SSJ Gotenks Pre = 300
SSJ2 Goku = 100
SSJ Goku = 33
Actual Base Gotenks Post = 32
SSJ Gotenks Pre/Post = 29
Base Gotenks Pre = 24
SSJ Trunks Pre = 23
SSJ Goten Pre = 22

Gotenks being multifolds times above Goku seems more like an unnecesary complication people creates themselves to have something useful to waste with their time. No one can actually prove that.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Gotenks being multifolds times above Goku seems more like an unnecesary

That’s pure madness on your part. His initial introduction already puts him at a minimum of 8x superior to Goku.

Super Saiyan Gotenks Pre Rosat is already on par with Super Saiyan 3 Goku. At minimum Super Saiyan 2 is a 2x boost and Super Saiyan 3 is a 4x boost.

Hypothetical Super Saiyan 3 Pre Rosat Gotenks is already 8x stronger than Goku. Then Post Rosat he’s suggested to be over 50x stronger than before.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

That’s pure madness on your part. His initial introduction already puts him at a minimum of 8x superior to Goku.

With getting stomped by Fat Buu in base, he is 8x stronger than Goku?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

With getting stomped by Fat Buu in base, he is 8x stronger than Goku?

I think he meant equal forms. SSJ Gotenks ~ SSJ3 Goku = 8x SSJ Goku.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

I think he meant equal forms. SSJ Gotenks ~ SSJ3 Goku = 8x SSJ Goku.

Well, I just don't agree with that. Base/SSJ Gotenks is featless, so the most I can give him is an slightly inferior level in relation to Fat Buu.

 

[FeatsofPower]

so the most I can give him is an slightly inferior level in relation to Fat Buu.

And I’ll go with Gokus estimate over yours.

 

[Pakl]

I don't understand why it's hard to accept that SSjin Gotenks (Pre) is at least stronger than Fat Boo. It's stated and not contradicted, and even further proven by the need of Evil Boo's creation. Gotenks was strong enough vs Fat Boo, but then Evil Boo appears and Gotenks is no longer a match. That's a manga for kids. Lol.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Because it interferes with the “Goku is de best” thing

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Because it interferes with the “Goku is de best” thing

That's also another reasoning for simians in which I don't agree with. Aside from Gotenks' hype.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

And I’ll go with Gokus estimate over yours.

If you go by a random estimate, I don't care.

 

[Pakl]

Base Gotenks should be at least stronger than the combined power of the SSjin Kids.