GreatSaiyaman's Battle Power List

[GSM123]

21st Kuririn > Murasaki. Murasaki was shocked by Goku jumping over a pond which Kuririn should easily be able to do.

Fair enough. Most of the Muscle Tower part aways slips out of my mind. How strong you have Murasaki?

Goku's battle level being a 1.5x multiplier seems a bit bloated, don't you think? Vegeta went from relatively even with 16k Kaioken Goku to 18k after his power up and it was treated as a big deal so I don't think anymore than a 1.25x boost is necessary. Plus, Roshi was at a respectable level to Ten so I doubt he was under 80% of his power.

More like personal preference to avoid some broken numbers. Even a 1.1x boost can work here, but nothing contradicts it being 1.5x or even higher. Might bump Match level Goku up though, don't like how close he is to Roshi.

Tenshinhan held Roshi at a pretty high pedestal without knowing the full extension of his power. Roshi was pretty flabbergasted by Goku and Tenshinhan's fight even before both went all out, so i don't think he has to be that close to Tenshinhan.

Cymbal is too low. He should be above Kuririn due to Tambourine's shock at him being killed.

I don't see how this possibly makes Cymbal stronger than Kuririn. Tambourine already killed Kuririn at this point. His surprise is more like "Wtf i killed the strongest guys and he still managed to die?" what implies Cymbal wouldn't be able to beat Kuririn IMo, at least not easily.

Spopovich was obviously stronger than Videl. He had to surpress a chi blast just to not kill her.

You're right.

Chapter: 441 (DBZ 247), P12.2-5
Kuririn: “Th-that bastard, he [fired] a ki wave…though it didn’t have that much ki power…!”
Vegeta: “No…He’d lose if he killed her. He purposefully fired a weak one…”
Goku: “…It seems like he has power far surpassing his own abilities…I don’t get it…What’s going on?...”

I always thought Videl was only beaten up due to getting tired, whereas Spopovich never tired.

Thanks for the feedback, i'll take the critics and add some stuff on the 23rd Budokai section.

 

[p123]

You have Initial Cell at 83% of Piccolo. How can this be? They had a great fight where Cell was able to catch Piccolo off guard.

 

[Victorious]

Goku is definitely > Piccolo Daimo in their fight. That is one kinda close fight I absolutely hate being equals.

Perhaps he is exactly equal with Piccolo Junior though in the 23rd.

 

[p123]

They are definitely not equals. They are close for sure, battling blow for blow for a short while, but Goku makes it clear he is the dominant power very quickly.

Jr and Goku can definitely be equals imo. Goku's resiliency and tactics is what won him that fight, although I'm fine with their power gap being the same as it was when they fought Raditz as well.

 

[GSM123]

You have Initial Cell at 83% of Piccolo. How can this be? They had a great fight where Cell was able to catch Piccolo off guard.

Why would the gap be any closer? Cell was getting smacked around like a bitch, and all we know other than that is that Piccolo can't one shot nor tank him. The fact that Cell needed a distraction to catch Piccolo with his pants down shows how hopeless he is.

Goku is definitely > Piccolo Daimo in their fight. That is one kinda close fight I absolutely hate being equals.

Perhaps he is exactly equal with Piccolo Junior though in the 23rd.

Not really. It always seemed to me that Goku's advantage came from his quick movements (Goku is noted several times as someone incredibly quick) and skills (That homing Kamehameha and using the Power Pole on his favour).

 

[p123]

Cell was losing but holding his own, he even out maneuvered Piccolo and was in a position to finish Piccolo off. Go look at that fight. Piccolo never intended to lose his arm.

Goku beat PD in like 30 seconds though. That has to be accounted for.

 

[GSM123]

He never held his own man. He was about to finish him because he caught him off guard and was about to drink him. Is #16 close to Perfect Cell because he was able to hold him?

Goku defeated Piccolo in 30 seconds? The fight went for chapters and Goku won because Piccolo understimated him...

 

[p123]

Cell looked like a 88% fight. He's getting blown out fast but he's still ok, he's still hanging on.

Goku won the hand to hand quickly. PD had to resort to other tactics.

 

[ahill1]

Which kind of gap does Piccolo vs Gero show?

 

[p123]

83-85 I believe. He hurts him bad, a lot of concussive force shown and the whole arm chop too boot.

 

[ahill1]

83-85 I believe. He hurts him bad, a lot of concussive force shown and the whole arm chop too boot.

Why can't that be an 88% gap as well? Not saying it should, but frankly Piccolo looks as dominant over Gero as he was over Cell or as Vegeta was over Zarbon or Kkx2 Goku imo.

 

[GSM123]

Cell looked like a 88% fight. He's getting blown out fast but he's still ok, he's still hanging on.

Goku won the hand to hand quickly. PD had to resort to other tactics.

88% is too close. Cell did recover pretty quick, but he was getting blitzed by Piccolo every turn. Not to mention Cell should be closer to Vegeta than he is to Piccolo.

Because he was a much better fighter than Piccolo. Look at how he keeps dodging him, but his blows don't do any more damage than Piccolo's blows on him. Not to mention he user the Power Pole to get a upperhand by the end of the fight.

 

[p123]

Cell vs Piccolo doesn't look far off from Goku vs Cell. They are getting speed blitzed and unable to really answer back but they are still barely in the game.

I'd consider a gap like 83-85 where they have no chance to answer back. Like Gero vs Piccolo. I don't think Gero could get anything off at all.

 

[GSM123]

Still, Cell should be closer to Vegeta than he is to Piccolo. Cell thinks Vegeta is a threat to him, whereas Piccolo thought nothing of Cell's current power. I'm gonna take the power scaling over the power gaps here.

 

[GSM123]

P i'm bumping Cell to 86% of Piccolo but only 1.1x of Vegeta, but only because i'm nerfing Pre Merge Piccolo a tidbit. Just telling ya.

 

[p123]

I can live with that.

Remember, Cell was able to catch Piccolo off guard, absorbed some of his power and got stronger and then Piccolo lost some power and had to regenerate his arm and was still confident in beating Cell. Also, Cell tells him, "What, do you think beating me will be easy?". So there's that. Piccolo could be thinking of taking of the weights if necessary as well.

Piccolo > Cell >> Vegeta

Vegeta considers them ridiculous powers. I think if we have to choose what's a bigger gap, I think Vegeta is further away than Cell was. Cell is shocked by Vegeta's power, but let's not forget the entire crew is on his ass. He certainly couldn't walk through Vegeta and Vegeta would slow him up and he would be gang fucked. So I think that should be taken into account.

 

[GSM123]

I dunno if Cell can hold Vegeta is he is >> him. With such gap i really think he could strike Vegeta down and drink him pretty quickly, specially when Vegeta didn't even notice him. Cell even said he should hurry up after he saw Vegeta.

And having Cell that close to Piccolo wouldn't end up with Cell rivaling #18? #16 said only Piccolo rivaled the twins, and i think it would be worth nothing if Cell was also rivaling at least one of them.

 

[p123]

Vegeta considers Piccolo and Cells' power to be in the same world and considers both of them ridiculously powerful. Cell is clearly in Piccolo's group, not Vegeta's, but also not the Androids, while Piccolo is. There is a fine line here.

 

[GSM123]

They are in the same group because they both are unknown, absurdley large Kis above the Super Saiyans who came out of nowhere. That doesn't mean Cell blows Vegeta out of the water, as shown by Cell thinking it's risky to fight Vegeta and saying he is unable to beat the twins, and he is unaware of the fact that the present ones are stronger.

 

[p123]

Put it this way, I don't think Vegeta rivals Cell. He's just out of range. 80-85% or so.