Hector's Saiyan Saga PLs

[Power Level Guy]

If we want to prove that Gohan, despite being injured, could fire a KKH as if he weren’t, we need to explain why he thought he couldn't.

Did Majin Vegeta fire a FP blast against Fat Buu?

 

[Piramid89]

Did Majin Vegeta fire a FP blast against Fat Buu?

Are you referring to the one that goes through him? I guess he charged that attack as much as he wanted.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Are you referring to the one that goes through him? I guess he charged that attack as much as he wanted.

No the one he blew himself up with. He’s severely damaged there. Same thing with Tien versus Nappa.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yeah, both put their lives in their final blasts. You can't push further than that.

 

[Piramid89]

No the one he blew himself up with. He’s severely damaged there. Same thing with Tien versus Nappa.

The explosion would have been more powerful if he had been at 100%.

 

[Power Level Guy]

The explosion would have been more powerful if he had been at 100%.

So if Vegeta took a sensu bean, he’s able to kill Fat Buu?

 

[Piramid89]

So if Vegeta took a sensu bean, he’s able to kill Fat Buu?

no way

 

[Power Level Guy]

no way

So it doesn't matter if Vegeta was at FP or not, it wouldn't have made a difference. Hence, Vegeta is able to access his full power, if not most of it, despite his severely injured state.

Being injured doesn't mean you can't pull off a full powered blast.

 

[Piramid89]

So it doesn't matter if Vegeta was at FP or not, it wouldn't have made a difference. Hence, Vegeta is able to access his full power, if not most of it, despite his severely injured state.

Being injured doesn't mean you can't pull off a full powered blast.

Where do you get that conclusion from? That doesn't mean or prove that Vegeta is able to access his full power while injured.

 

[Power Level Guy]

@Power Level Guy isn’t CG Gohan the only case of someone weakened firing a blast at FP?

Tien vs Nappa
Vegeta vs Fat Buu
Piccolo vs Imperfect Cell

 

[Power Level Guy]

Where do you get that conclusion from? That doesn't mean or prove that Vegeta is able to access his full power while injured.

Where is it suggested that this wasn’t his maximum?

Or that if he had only had access to his maximum he’d been able to get the job done.

 

[SSJ2]

Tien vs Nappa
Vegeta vs Fat Buu
Piccolo vs Imperfect Cell

I'm not completely in disagreement, but I think techniques that result in death might be excluded from regular amplification logic.

Piccolo vs Imperfect Cell is debatable as to whether or not Piccolo was at full power. 17 had just said that he and Piccolo were still even in strength despite Piccolo's stamina falling. Cell only landed two attacks on him, I'm not sure that's enough to reduce his strength output.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I'm not completely in disagreement, but I think techniques that result in death might be excluded from regular amplification logic

You could be right. But why? Because they tap into their life force?

Piccolo vs Imperfect Cell is debatable as to whether or not Piccolo was at full power.

Most people cut his power down so they can keep a high amp, where do you have him?

 

[SSJ2]

ou could be right. But why? Because they tap into their life force?

Yeah I'd assume so. Look at the Shin Kikoho, it was able to hold back Semi Perfect Cell lol.

Most people cut his power down so they can keep a high amp, where do you have him?

I can see a slight drop in power at best from Cell's two attacks. Maybe 80-90%? The fact that he was still at full power 2 pages earlier tells me he can't have dropped that much.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Injured people can't use their FP because their damaged body can't handle it. Suicide attacks don't care about the strain, especially self destruction.

 

[Power Level Guy]

@SSJ2

fighters take a portion of their ki and mega amplify that portion. They aren’t amplifying their actual power level.

 

[SSJ2]

@SSJ2

fighters take a portion of their ki and mega amplify that portion. They aren’t amplifying their actual power level.

Raditz seems to say otherwise.

Chapter: 201 (DBZ 7), P7.2, P13.3
Context: said as Piccolo charges up the Makankosappo.
Raditz: “Th-this one's battle power is 1,020...30...!!! Un-unbelievable!!!! It's still rising!!!!
Raditz: “Battle power 1,330...!!!! He's gathered a-all of his battle power into his fingertips...!!!!”

 

[Power Level Guy]

He's gathered a-all of his battle power into his fingertips...!!!!”

The SBC is in his fingertips, not his whole body. 1,330 is SBC, his actual power level should still be 408 though.

 

[Piramid89]

Where is it suggested that this wasn’t his maximum?

Or that if he had only had access to his maximum he’d been able to get the job done.

Nowhere. We can't draw conclusions from this example.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Nowhere. We can't draw conclusions from this example.

Exactly. Since no evidence suggests he wasn’t using his maximum power, it means he was.