How does Goku=10 and somewhat strong adult human=5 work?

[Warmmedown]

There's also initial Krillin, who is below 10.
Is 10 twice as strong as 5?
That means a quite typical adult human should be able to do half of at least some of these (whichever you think link to power level):
-sprint 100 yards/metres in 5 seconds
-swim across an ocean or sea like Krillin did
-deliver half as much milk as Goku did on day 1, while wearing 30kg
-get hit by a car and get up unharmed, while causing the car to turn over. Either half the car, half the speed or only take double the damage
-half of Goku's being shot by (the ever-essential) Bulma.
-half of dodging a jaguar/tiger. Dodge it from twice the distanceor dodge something that's twice as slow!
-push the boulder half as far as Goku did
-easily beat someone half as strong as Bear Thief, or at least put up a fight against Bear Thief (considering Bear Thief's PL is somewhere between 5 and 10 and Goku one-shotted him)

What does the relationship between a human child's PL and adult's suggest? Gohan aged 4's power level was 1. Is farmer 5x stronger than a 4yo human? Farmer's weak as fuck then. Or is the 1 rounded up from any number above 0 (eg 0.1)?

 

[SSJ2]

It doesn't. This is why I have Goku at 40.

 

[GSM123]

Gohan aged 4's power level was 1. Is farmer 5x stronger than a 4yo human? Farmer's weak as fuck then.

That’s pretty accurate for the difference between a child and an adult actually. But yeah, Goku is way more than 10. He was crushing giant boulders bare-handed.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

Well there's the Saiyan biological make-up, but I definitely think Goku was higher than 10 at the beginning of the series. He was more like 20.

 

[Animelover5487]

Well there's the Saiyan biological make-up, but I definitely think Goku was higher than 10 at the beginning of the series. He was more like 20.

Goku being a saiyan wasn't thought up in og db.

 

[Pyro]

Neither were power levels.

 

[Power Level Guy]

-easily beat someone half as strong as Bear Thief, or at least put up a fight against Bear Thief (considering Bear Thief's PL is somewhere between 5 and 10 and Goku one-shotted him)

Yeah, 10 ain't working for Goku.

Goku = 10 > Bear Thief > Expected Goku > Pterodon > Farmer

Cannot work. No human is doing anything to that damn Pterodon, that thing is destroying Hercule, Videl, everyone who is a normal human has absolutely not chance.

Goku absolutely wrecks that thing and Bulma thinks Goku has no chance against the Bear Thief.

Also, Farmer is not the strongest human, there's a human somewhere that's 1.2-1.33x stronger for sure, so Goku being 10 is just unworkable.

 

[Warmmedown]

Goku = 10 > Bear Thief > Expected Goku > Pterodon > Farmer

[...]Pterodon[...]

Goku absolutely wrecks that thing and Bulma thinks Goku has no chance against the Bear Thief.

You say that like Bulma has any way of knowing who's stronger by looking at them. It's hard for her to compare a dinosaur to a talking bear
I don't remember it, but she could just be a pessimist at that stage. Easier to accept he's going to lose, than get her hopes up.

 

[Power Level Guy]

You say that like Bulma has any way of knowing who's stronger by looking at them.

Bulma should be quite familiar with Goku's level of strength at this point.

 

[Warmmedown]

It's like a human trying to figure out which animal is stronger (between a dinosaur and bear). Doubt she could. She's not a fighter to assess Goku either.

 

[SSJ2]

It's like a human trying to figure out which animal is stronger (between a dinosaur and bear). Doubt she could. She's not a fighter to assess Goku either.

Bulma dodged bullets in the RRA arc. She’s probably beating 21st Namu level.

 

[Power Level Guy]

It's like a human trying to figure out which animal is stronger (between a dinosaur and bear). Doubt she could. She's not a fighter to assess Goku either.

Yeah, I think we are capable of doing that. It's easy to tell that a much bigger fighter is probably going to squash a much smaller one.

These kinds of expectations happen all the time in real life, no need for ki-sensing.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

Goku being a saiyan wasn't thought up in og db.

Yes, but him being an alien was still heavily alluded to.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

Yeah, 10 ain't working for Goku.

Goku = 10 > Bear Thief > Expected Goku > Pterodon > Farmer

Cannot work. No human is doing anything to that damn Pterodon, that thing is destroying Hercule, Videl, everyone who is a normal human has absolutely not chance.

Goku absolutely wrecks that thing and Bulma thinks Goku has no chance against the Bear Thief.

Also, Farmer is not the strongest human, there's a human somewhere that's 1.2-1.33x stronger for sure, so Goku being 10 is just unworkable.

I definitely think the Farmer is meant to represent the power level of the average Earthling... at least a male Earthling.

The average female Earthling would probably be around 3.

 

[GSM123]

Yeah, I think we are capable of doing that. It's easy to tell that a much bigger fighter is probably going to squash a much smaller one.

These kinds of expectations happen all the time in real life, no need for ki-sensing.

Our estimatives aren’t mathematically precise though.

Which is to say, “expected” levels don’t exist and shouldn’t be used to justify larger gaps.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Our estimatives aren’t mathematically precise though.

Which is to say, “expected” levels don’t exist and shouldn’t be used to justify larger gaps.

This is irrational.

Evidence from expectations is the only way to determine the disparity between two fighters in such cases. Any disqualification of such evidence is merely an excuse for one to insert their own subjective preference. The reason you dislike it is because it limits your subjectiveness. To deny the author’s clear implications to insert your own is erroneous.

To deny the evidence is illogical.

 

[ahill1]

It's battle powers, scouter from aliens... Who knows what is 2x stronger for them. Irl we wouldn't be able to give someone a number, like, hmm his strength is an 8. If you hear something like that it sounds more like a general rating, like "good, very good, but not perfect". Like the trend nowadays that elite fighters rate the other one from 1 to 10... It's just a basic how good and likely to win in a 1 vs 1 this fighter is.

There is a physical way to know how stronger someone's punch is than the other I guess. In DB there was a kind of punching machine in the 25th Budokai, there Mr. Satan would score more than double normal humans iirc. Way more than double actually since those other guys punching were pro fighters. Punching power = force or impulse generated when the punch lands.

F = ma (mass of the arm/fist times acceleration)
There is also momentum which is a relevant metric

Momentum = mass x velocity

Kinetic energy too, which is iirc mv²/2 ... Which would be like the energy delivered by the punch, in that case taking techniques, like proper stance, body rotation etc. into account.

Ngannou scored a ~ 129.2 units on a PowerKube, a device from the UFC PI that measures force, speed and energy, turning that into a number representative of his punching power. Ngannou's punching power can be Over 8,000!!!! Newtons of force depending on the set up. An average male's punching power, while it varies significantly, is estimated around 1,000 ~ 1,500 N ... With a kinetic energy of 120 ~ 160 Joules.

Let's assume the over 8,000!!! for Ngannou is like 9,000 N and the average male punching power is ~ 1,200 N. Roughly, 8x stronger. Going by kinetic energy instead, assuming Ngannou's would be ~ 1,200 Joules and the average male, like 150 Joules... Again, roughly 8x stronger.

Still, there are ways to measure the raw strength of a punch in which you'd find the difference shrinking down a lot between Ngannou and a normal human. Studies appear to show that fist velocities don't vary THAT much between trained fighters and untrained individuals... It's like, a trained pro fighter can generate a speed ranging around 9 m/s ~ 11m/s ... An untrained person, would generate, a very rough average since it's tough to have a precise range, 6 ~ 8 m/s (average male fist speed)... Small increase in speeds lead to a big difference since kinetic energy depends on v²... The speed difference isn't crazy though.

If both an untrained but physically fit man and Ngannou would throw a jab without proper technique, like, just throwing the jab without rotating the shoulders and hips, the raw force advantage of Ngannou would of course be bigger, but way lower than the above... More like, in the 1.5x ~ 2x stronger range. Basically, because the average man can generate decent force from their arms... The gap in technique and kinetic energy make the difference way bigger than if analysing under a simply raw strength lens.

There are also sophisticated ways that measure how hard muscles are firing. It's said that the strongest punchers in combat sports and an average strong man, may fire some muscles group roughly equally, during a jab. The triceps, for instance.

If looking at the mass of the arm alone, Ngannou's arm weigh, alone, ~ 6/6.5kg while a normal male's arm would weigh roughly 4/5 kg... The difference is more like 1.3/1.5x in mass alone. If both throw a punch at the same speed, the difference in energy would be ~ 1.5x as well.

So, it depends on how you look at it. If looking at the fist speed, the muscle force, the mass of the limbs in an isolated aspect... It might get you a << 2x difference in ""power"" between one of the strongest men and an average man. But when everything stacks together, taking into account the technical part of it, like body rotation, time, explosiveness alongside mass and speed, then the gap is like ~8x ....

 

[Power Level Guy]

It's battle powers, scouter from aliens... Who knows what is 2x stronger for them. Irl we wouldn't be able to give someone a number, like, hmm his strength is an 8.

It shouldn’t be that hard. The most accurate way is to utilize battle powers in the way a given fight turns out.

Essentially a battle power is more akin to combat ability more or less. It’s not about what you lift, it’s about how well you fight.

When you look at prime Mike Tyson, bro is moving at a different speed and power than damn near every human that has ever lived. You can see it.

Power levels works in the same way.

 

[SSJ2]

Who knows what is 2x stronger for them.

Factually incorrect. We have already deduced Babasky's power level with great scientific rigor.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Factually incorrect. We have already deduced Babasky's power level with great scientific rigor.

Exactly it has been figured out