How high are the regular-states in DB-Super?

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How high are they?

In my opinion, they are God-Level.

 

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???

 

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What regular states?

 

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normal

 

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Boohan: 1

Base Vegito 1
SSJ Vegito: 50
SSJ2 Vegito 100
SSJ3 Vegito: 400

1st form Freeza: 1.5
Final Form: 397.5

Base Goku/Vegeta: 410
SSJ Goku/Vegeta: 20,500
SSJ2 Goku/Vegeta: 41,000
SSJ3 Goku: 164,000



Base Future Trunks: 350
SSJ Trunks: 17,500
SSJ2 Trunks: 35,000

Present Zamasu: 25,000

Basically, SSJ2 Goku is in a G.O.D tier.

 

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Stronger than Super Saiyan God from the BOG arc.

 

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Base Saiyans are between Boohan and Super Vegetto imo. However Super Saiyan and beyond would one-shot SSJ3 Vegetto.

Boohan: 1

Base Vegito 1
SSJ Vegito: 50
SSJ2 Vegito 100
SSJ3 Vegito: 400

1st form Freeza: 1.5
Final Form: 397.5

Base Goku/Vegeta: 410
SSJ Goku/Vegeta: 20,500
SSJ2 Goku/Vegeta: 41,000
SSJ3 Goku: 164,000



Base Future Trunks: 350
SSJ Trunks: 17,500
SSJ2 Trunks: 35,000

Present Zamasu: 25,000

Basically, SSJ2 Goku is in a G.O.D tier.

If First Form Freeza > Boohan then why did Freeza go straight to his final form to fight Goku when he only knew Goku was stronger than Boo?

 

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Base Saiyans are between Boohan and Super Vegetto imo. However Super Saiyan and beyond would one-shot SSJ3 Vegetto.

Boohan: 1

Base Vegito 1
SSJ Vegito: 50
SSJ2 Vegito 100
SSJ3 Vegito: 400

1st form Freeza: 1.5
Final Form: 397.5

Base Goku/Vegeta: 410
SSJ Goku/Vegeta: 20,500
SSJ2 Goku/Vegeta: 41,000
SSJ3 Goku: 164,000



Base Future Trunks: 350
SSJ Trunks: 17,500
SSJ2 Trunks: 35,000

Present Zamasu: 25,000

Basically, SSJ2 Goku is in a G.O.D tier.

If First Form Freeza > Boohan then why did Freeza go straight to his final form to fight Goku when he only knew Goku was stronger than Boo?

Freeza was a huge threat to the Earth and SSJ Gohan can't do anything about it.

 

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Gohan is so much weaker at this point that he nearly kills himself powering up as a SSJ, so yeah that doesn't mean he can take out Boohan who was much stronger than Gohan even when he was fresh out of the Old Kai's power up. There's a reason Toriyama (or Toei) chose to defuse Gotenks right when he was going to kick some ass.

 

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Far higher than anyone in Z

 

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Gohan is so much weaker at this point that he nearly kills himself powering up as a SSJ, so yeah that doesn't mean he can take out Boohan who was much stronger than Gohan even when he was fresh out of the Old Kai's power up. There's a reason Toriyama (or Toei) chose to defuse Gotenks right when he was going to kick some ass.

But then Gohan becoming Super-Saiyan was treated as a bigger deal. I'm not sure on the matter, either though.

 

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Far higher than anyone in Z

God-Tier or just > Vegetto?

 

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base Galu/Vegeta (current) > FnF Galu/Vegeta > 4th form Freeza FnF >>>>> 3rd form Freeza >/>> SSJ Vegetto > 2nd form Freeza > Boohan > 1st form Freeza > Ultimate Gohan imo.

 

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Gohan is so much weaker at this point that he nearly kills himself powering up as a SSJ, so yeah that doesn't mean he can take out Boohan who was much stronger than Gohan even when he was fresh out of the Old Kai's power up. There's a reason Toriyama (or Toei) chose to defuse Gotenks right when he was going to kick some ass.

I don't see why would Gohan be that week since he was in his ultimate state a year ago but this one is debatable.

 

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Gohan is so much weaker at this point that he nearly kills himself powering up as a SSJ, so yeah that doesn't mean he can take out Boohan who was much stronger than Gohan even when he was fresh out of the Old Kai's power up. There's a reason Toriyama (or Toei) chose to defuse Gotenks right when he was going to kick some ass.

But then Gohan becoming Super-Saiyan was treated as a bigger deal. I'm not sure on the matter, either though.

SSJ Gohan is a big deal because he was the strongest Z-Fighter on the battlefield (outside of Gotenks who's fusion time ran out) and even he was fodder compared to First Form Freeza. That doesn't mean Freeza could defeat Boohan though. I doubt SSJ Gohan at that point could even faze (Normal) Super Boo.


SSJ Vegetto > Base Goku/Vegeta > Final Form Freeza >>> Boohan >> Bootenks >>> Ultimate Gohan >> SSJ3 Gotenks >= Super Boo >>>>>>>> SSJ Gotenks >>>> First Form Freeza >>>>>>>>>> SSJ Gohan > Tagoma >>> Base Gotenks

That's how I see it.

 

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Freeza in first form isn't weaker than SSJ Gotenks. He shows the ability to sense ki after his training, so it makes no sense for him to act composed upon SSJ Gotenks' arrival when he didn't know they were temporarily fused.

 

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Freeza in first form isn't weaker than SSJ Gotenks. He shows the ability to sense ki after his training, so it makes no sense for him to act composed upon SSJ Gotenks' arrival when he didn't know they were temporarily fused.

When did Freeza sense ki? The arc was kind of boring so I might have skipped over some parts but I don't remember him sensing anyone's ki.

 

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Freeza sensed SSJB Goku's god-ki and felt it was less than his golden form among other things.

 

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Freeza sensed SSJB Goku's god-ki and felt it was less than his golden form among other things.

I just watched the scene. It doesn't look like Freeza sensed his ki, as Freeza ddn't even know it was god ki thinking he had just become a Super Saiyan. I think Freeza just felt the pressure of it like Future Trunks and Cabba but didn't know what kind of ki it was.

 

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He also later goes on to say "based off our energies, aren't I superior?". I think he can sense ki based on that.