How strong are Dai Kaioshin and South Kaioshin?

[Pyro]

That was always garbage and now there's retconconfirmation that it ain't true. Dai Kaioshin is Super Saiyan God tier, probably very high God tier, but I don't think he's quite Blue tier yet.

But then again, "Super Saiyan Blue" is a huge tier now since there's regular, untrained Blue; perfected/completed Blue, and Blue Evolved. Three very distinctly powerful stages of the Blue transformation that aren't being specified here.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

PSSB seems to have become the default Blue form for both Galu and Vegeta since mastering its usage at the start of the ToP Arc and its use being evident from their auras being absent in seemingly every panel in which they fight using it, so I'd say any statements about SSB in the current arc refer more to that.

There's also Vegeta referring to SSBE as Blue, though I'd say that's probably just due to him not coming up with a name for the new form.

 

[Tapion]

Now that I think about, South Kaioshin scales to God-Tier by default, since he must be stronger than Sealed Dai Kaioshin via Shin's statement, and Sealed Dai Kaioshin is the one who, with a fraction of his power (the vast majority of it had been permanently destroyed when Pure Boo was defeated), beat the crap out of weaksauce Moro.

In fact, it's quite likely that the strongest Kaioshin and the Hakaishin are meant to be equal in power. Elder Kaioshin established that Beerus was weaker than the current Boo 75 million years ago; Dai Kaioshin was absorbed 5 million years ago, so it is likely that Beerus was equal to them back then, and eventually grew in power to reach his current level throughout these millions of years.

Current Beerus >>>>> Dai Kaioshin (5 million years ago) = Beerus (5 million years ago) >>>>>>> unfathomable gap >>>> Pure/Fat Boo >> Beerus (75 million years ago)

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Now that I think about, South Kaioshin scales to God-Tier by default, since he must be stronger than Sealed Dai Kaioshin via Shin's statement, and Sealed Dai Kaioshin is the one who, with a fraction of his power (the vast majority of it had been permanently destroyed when Pure Boo was defeated), beat the crap out of weaksauce Moro.

We never saw the battle's conclusion beyond Dai Kaioshin using the Kai Kai Matoru, so the framing would suggest that's what ended the fight rather than it dragging on after that. I'd chalk it up to the technique causing Moro to become fatigued and 10 million years being more than enough time to recover some of his magic.

In fact, it's quite likely that the strongest Kaioshin and the Hakaishin are meant to be equal in power.

Despite Zamasu > All Kaioshin at the time of Super.

Elder Kaioshin established that Beerus was weaker than the current Boo 75 million years ago; Dai Kaioshin was absorbed 5 million years ago

Chapter: 479 (DBZ 285), P6.5, P7.2, P8.2-3
Elder Kaioshin: “That’s ri~~~ight. Lo~~~ong, lo~~~ong ago, there was this ridiculously strong and ba~~~ad dude. Well, not as much as this Majin Boo guy now, but still~~~. He did it, he se~~~ealed me away inside that sword. Me here. He was freaked out by how fearsome I am. Yep, sure wa~~~as.”

Whilst you could interpret that as Beerus beig both not as strong or bad as Boo, the Steve Simmons translation of the anime points to only the latter.

Episode 250, 12m33s - 12m44s
Elder Kaioshin: "Long Long ago, y'know, there was this terribly strong, y'know, bad guy, y'know. Well, not as bad as this Majin Boo now."

 

[Tapion]

I am talking about Mr. Boo's fight with Moro, hence why I specified "weaksauce". Mr. Boo was only tapping onto a portion of sealed Dai Kaioshin's powers when he beat him up, and that version of Moro was at least Super Saiyan God-level.

Shin states that South Kaioshin was the strongest Kaioshin, and he obviously got to see Sealed Dai Kaioshin's power, so naturally South Kaioshin would need to be more powerful than Sealed Dai Kaioshin.

Dai Kaioshin (Original) >>> South Kaioshin >> Dai Kaioshin (Sealed) >> Dai Kaioshin (sealed inside Pure Boo) >>>> Dai Kaioshin (sealed inside Mr. Boo) >> Moro (Weakened) >>= Super Saiyan God.

I think there wouldn't be much point to saying "not as much as Boo, but still" if not to highlight Beerus's power at the time. He was boasting about how such a ridiculously powerful dude "feared" him; hence the "but still [pretty strong]".

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I am talking about Mr. Boo's fight with Moro, hence why I specified "weaksauce". Mr. Boo was only tapping onto a portion of sealed Dai Kaioshin's powers when he beat him up, and that version of Moro was at least Super Saiyan God-level.

It wasn't DK's power in specific he was tapping into though. Merus refers to it as Boo tapping into his own latent potential rather than Dai Kaioshin's power, which honestly makes far more sense when considering how vast Boo's potential is presented as.

I think there wouldn't be much point to saying "not as much Boo, but still" if not to highlight Beerus's power at the time. He was boasting about how such a ridiculously powerful dude "feared" him; hence the "but still!"

Using the Steven Simmons translation as a comparison, Elder Kaioshin says "So, you know" rather than "But still", suggesting the context has more to do with him rambling and trying to get on track again.

 

[Tapion]

Concerning Zamasu; Shin states that he is the strongest Kaioshin they've seen throughout the 12 universes. There is no proof this includes the likes of South Kaioshin and Dai Kaioshin. Both of them were long gone at the time. The context is strictly on the ones they'd met at the time.

It wasn't DK's power in specific he was tapping into though. Merus refers to it as Boo tapping into his own latent potential rather than Dai Kaioshin's power, which honestly makes far more sense when considering how vast Boo's potential is presented as.

Merus simply states that the memories must have triggered some sort of "hidden power" within him. At this point in time, they're still not aware of the fact that Dai Kaioshin is influencing Boo throughout fight. Later on, Dai Kaioshin takes control over the body, heavily suggesting it's him, once more. The next chapter states that he is tapping onto Dai Kaioshin's godly power, the majority of which was destroyed alongside Pure Boo.

The context heavily infers that it's all Dai Kaioshin.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Concerning Zamasu; Shin states that he is the strongest Kaioshin they've seen throughout the 12 universes. There is no proof this includes the likes of South Kaioshin and Dai Kaioshin. Both of them were long gone at the time. The context is strictly on the ones they'd met at the time.

I know, yet that alone would weaken the hypothesis that a Kaioshin should be comparable to their counterpart.

Merus simply states that the memories must have triggered some sort of "hidden power" within him. At this point in time, they're still not aware of the fact that Dai Kaioshin is influencing Boo throughout fight. Later on, Dai Kaioshin takes control over the body, heavily suggesting it's him, once more. The next chapter states that he is tapping onto Dai Kaioshin's godly power, the majority of which was destroyed alongside Pure Boo.

Merus specifically states he was wrong about Dai Kaioshin's godly power, plus even with DK taking control, he still has Boo's body which should have vast potential. Merus would also be aware that Boo had Dai Kaioshin's memories when they arrived at New Namek, yet still didn't cite Boo as tapping into DK's power.

As for the point from before of post-KKM Dai Kaioshin defeating Moro, the later chapters debunk that idea as Moro is surprised at how much DK has weakened since they last fought.

 

[Tapion]

I know, yet that alone would weaken the hypothesis that a Kaioshin should be comparable to their counterpart.

Super Saiyan God+ level Kaioshins is already an anomaly to the norm to begin with, given most Kaioshins throughout the other universes were shown to be fodder.