How strong is #17 currently?

[Fantastische Hure]

I'd say below SPC.

You?

 

[Pocket-God]

 

[Jeff Styles]

Below Super 17 because Pocket said so.

 

[Pocket-God]

Below Super 17 because Pocket said so.

Everyone is below Super 17

 

[Fantastische Hure]

What?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Below Super 17 because Pocket said so.

Pocket-God laughs at my logic, but then his logic...

 

[Pocket-God]

I laughed because I thought you were joking, 17 casually mangles everything Z has to offer.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I laughed because I thought you were joking, 17 casually mangles everything Z has to offer.

But I don't think that's right. He's still below SPC. Even Perfect-Cell probably. Cell is Dr. Gero's ultimate creation and that'll stay that way until further notice...or so I hope.

 

[SSJ2]

Cyborgs can't even improve their ki level. 17 is no different than he was in the manga.

 

[KyuubiAhri]

Cyborgs can't even improve their ki level. 17 is no different than he was in the manga.

i do seem to recall when he sparred against ssjb goku he said he gotten stronger

 

[Animelover5487]

I heard in the most recent chapter that Goku fights about evenly with him in Super Saiyan 3. If true then anime #17 may be around that power as well.

 

[Papasmurf]

Below god tier

 

[Papasmurf]

Even in the manga Gohan is likely to win, apparently they're going to beat Gohan into shape by using all the Senzu's they've got. (Likely either meaning him being unable to get zenkais was retconned, or he's just training that hard)

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Even in the manga Gohan is likely to win, apparently they're going to beat Gohan into shape by using all the Senzu's they've got. (Likely either meaning him being unable to get zenkais was retconned, or he's just training that hard)

It was only stated that Goku and Vegeta could no longer get Zenkai boosts, so not necessarily a retcon, seeing as how Gohan's infamous potential likely makes his Zenkai limit far higher than those two.

 

[Future Warrior]

Manga wise he's definitely stronger than Super Saiyan 2 and slightly implied to be above 3.

 

[Papasmurf]

Even in the manga Gohan is likely to win, apparently they're going to beat Gohan into shape by using all the Senzu's they've got. (Likely either meaning him being unable to get zenkais was retconned, or he's just training that hard)

It was only stated that Goku and Vegeta could no longer get Zenkai boosts, so not necessarily a retcon, seeing as how Gohan's infamous potential likely makes his Zenkai limit far higher than those two.

He didn't get a zenkai after Gotenks-Boo rapestomped him though. Nor seemingly from exhausting himself completely and having his arm nearly torn off by Cell.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Well yeah, it's bullshit as far as Z's continuity goes. It's still somewhat reasonable by Super's logic though, seeing as how Future Trunks could reach post-God SS3 Galu's level most likely through them or how Black could make huge gains despite Goku's body having maxed out it's Zenkais. It's at least more reasonable than the latter and still less nonsensical than Gohan making the same gains in the anime just through doing regular training with Big Green for a few hours.

 

[Papasmurf]

You could make up headcanon to explain Black's boosts such as him simply reawakening the power that the body change made dormant (which could be why he no longer has Zamasu heal him after attaining Rose, since he's now also maxed out), and in Gohan's case you could simply say reawakening his Ultimate form allowed him to reach the potential Vegeta talked about in the U6 arc with the power of retcon more easily than normal, since his gains were pretty minimal from much longer training between the FnF and early ToP arcs. Still, I concur most of this is just bullshit headcanon and Black just copying Goku's blue form through fighting with him would've made more sense than him still getting zenkais in Goku's body.

 

[VampireWicked]

In the Manga Android17 is SuperSaiyan 3 level, although i don't think it was a real true test of what Android17 could do.

The Anime Android17 is close to SuperSaiyan Blue before the TournamentOfPower, as Goku said he was pushed into using it against him.