Saiyan Paladin said:
I disagree wholeheartedly with all of that, and I've owned all 42 volumes of the manga for years. You've been saying this for a while and you have yet to prove any of it, you are incredibly stubborn, but at least you're not an asshole about it.
And even if you owned the manga (which I don't doubt), I wouldn't hesitate to affirm that you first learned about this series through the anime, which conditioned the way you read the manga afterwards.
I mean, Nappa > Goku is undeniable. Nappa loses strength fighting the z-warriors with his disturbed ki (he doesn't take a lot of damage, but still loses some strength), then he is beat by 8000k+ Goku while his Ki is still disturbed which also took a toll on his power, and even after all that, he managed to fight Goku at his same speed and physical strength (while still having a much higher damage endurance than Goku).
It's only the circumstances that make Goku seem stronger, but when sticking to the facts, he is undeniably weaker.
Regarding Freezer >>> SSJ Goku, even if we don't look at the feats given in the Cell saga that demonstrate how big was the difference and limit our analysis to the fight they had, a pretty injured and weakened Freezer managed to fight SSJ Goku at his same level when he decided to use all his strength (in other words, 100% of power). That alone already puts him above SSJ Goku.
Finally, A18 = SSJ Vegeta. We are discussing this in the other thread to avoid repeating myself and thus making this message one of the shortest I've ever written in here
p123 said:
Well 20 is actually not that much stronger than 19. 20 is in complete shock and awe while he watches Goku beat on 19. Nothing about 20's reactions suggest he was on Goku's level and when 19 absorbs some of Goku's energy, not even reaching Goku's level, 20 becomes jealous of 19's power.
He was considerably stronger considering that 19 was weaker than ill SSJ Goku, while 20 was stronger than 70% SSJ Vegeta. Him being impressed can be explained by the expectations they originally had, I mean, 20 clearly states that even if Goku could've improved a bit after his fight with Vegeta, he wouldn't be much stronger than that.
Regarding 20's comment, it's not him being envious of 19's power, he just was afraid Goku was going to win 19 and enjoyed 19 turning the tables on the fight, he never stated that 19 being stronger than him (although that could be the case after having absorbed the KHH considering that a 10% difference would already explain SSJ Vegeta's superiority and that unlike 16, 17 and 18, those androids didn't have unlimited energy and lost strength when they were injured).
