How strong is base Goku?

[Power Level Guy]

It’s obviously Toriyama. People think he can do no wrong, but 90% of DBS’s problems come from him.

It was the manga that brought SSJ back first. Toriyama changed his mind from SSJG becoming base and Toei didn’t get the memo.

So where you at with Base power nowadays?

Base EoZ > Base ToP?

 

[GSM123]

Really? Then how come the movies seem consistent with the normal form thing? Goku & Vegeta vs Broly & stuff seemed indicative of it.

It wasn’t. BoG had Goku absorb SSJG, and in RoF it was just base (Saiyan Beyond God) and SSJB.

So where you at with Base power nowadays?

Base EoZ > Base ToP?

Who knows. EoZ base isn’t the same anymore since Oob has god ki.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

It wasn’t. BoG had Goku absorb SSJG, and in RoF it was just base (Saiyan Beyond God) and SSJB.



Who knows. EoZ base isn’t the same anymore since Oob has god ki.

Yeah & they normal forms were power-full in the Broly movie.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Who knows. EoZ base isn’t the same anymore since Oob has god ki.

That doesn’t mean he can access it at will though. Dai Kaisohin held his hand to bring it out.

Goku has forgotten about Uub as well.

 

[GSM123]

Yeah & they normal forms were power-full in the Broly movie.

Not really. They fight Broly a bit, but Broly wasn’t that strong in the beginning of the movie. The fights were 100% Toei too, Toriyama only does the words.

What in the anime made them feel weak? The anime is where we have the most base form action.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Not really. They fight Broly a bit, but Broly wasn’t that strong in the beginning of the movie. The fights were 100% Toei too, Toriyama only does the words.

What in the anime made them feel weak? The anime is where we have the most base form action.

“He’s awesome! He’s starting to hold his own in his base form!” (or something like that)

I didn’t even think of this until today thanks to something else but this was Goku about Broly (when he was fighting SS-Jin Vegeta). Clearly their regular forms are supposed to be power-full on their own when AT writes.