If Beerus is a 10

[Papasmurf]

What is UI Sign Galu's power (Moro arc)? Can we apply the 6/10/15 scale for this form instead of SSJG, with the mountain loads of retcons we've seen being applied to Beerus' power?

 

[Hector]

Beeruses power is retconned upwards every 2-3 episodes, so, by the end of the series, UI Goku will be 0.0000001

 

[Big Ank]

Sign or mastered U.I?

 

[Papasmurf]

Sign or mastered U.I?

Sign since it's slightly implied that MUI is somewhere between Hakaishin tier and low Angel tier (e.g. Merus).

 

[Big Ank]

Isn't it implied nowadays that Beerus is also above whatever level Goku showcased vs Moro?

 

[Papasmurf]

Isn't it implied nowadays that Beerus is also above whatever level Goku showcased vs Moro?

Somewhat implied that it's due to the advanced Hakai technique moreso than raw power tho

 

[SSJ2]

60.

 

[GSM123]

I'd say between 5 and 8. If dealing with the defunct 6/10/15 scale, then 9+, but not quite a 10.

 

[Mystic]

My brain read the thread and thought 10/10 attractive

 

[SSJ2]

My brain read the thread and thought 10/10 attractive

He is tho.

 

[SIAD]

Now that we know that Granola is the strongest in the Universe (not counting Whis and Beerus), we can say that Beerus is still superior to UI Goku (Current).

Apparently there are 2 options, Shin and Goku could not see well the true power of Beerus in the Exhibition Tournament due to the dust that was there. Or maybe Beerus secretly started training after the ToP to keep up with Goku. Something similar to what Master Roshi did.

Another important point that must be agreed is that Goku knows that he and Vegeta are more powerful than he imagined Monaka's true power could be, since Goku does not mention him as a possible most powerful Warrior in the Universe.

 

[SSJ2]

Apparently there are 2 options, Shin and Goku could not see well the true power of Beerus in the Exhibition Tournament due to the dust that was there. Or maybe Beerus secretly started training after the ToP to keep up with Goku. Something similar to what Master Roshi did.

I'm starting to think that you're right about Beerus training. Though I'm having trouble figuring out the God of Destruction exhibition match. We see Beerus heavily damaged by the end of it implying that he isn't leaps and bounds above the other gods. However, prior to the match we see CSSJB Vegeta vs Beerus, and Beerus states that Vegeta could become a GoD in another universe despite being so far behind himself.

Ch. 27, pg. 34.2-5
Context: Beerus defeats Vegeta with ease after getting serious
Beerus: “You got carried away while I was going easy on you…”
Vegeta: “Gah… Dammit…”
Beerus: “At this rate, it’ll take a million years to become my rival! Well…I’ll give you points for improving so quickly. You could probably be a candidate for a God of Destruction in another universe…”

So which is it? Are the other gods closer to Vegeta's level or are they close to Beerus?

What I would point out is that Beerus' incomplete UI was shown to be able to handle all of the GoDs simultaneously, so perhaps he starting working on his UI after the ToP.

 

[Papasmurf]

He said Vegeta could become a GoD candidate, not a true GoD. Most likely one still needs a fair amount of training to become a true GoD, since Toppo is a GoD candidate despite being leagues below Jiren (a Hakaishin tier individual).

 

[Pyro]

Beerus: 10
UI Goku: 7.5-8
UI Sign Goku: 5

That's being generous IMO.

 

[Papasmurf]

Beerus: 10
UI Goku: 7.5-8
UI Sign Goku: 5

That's being generous IMO.

So what I don't understand is why Beerus in the ToP exhibition match was so much weaker than full power Beerus. Did Beerus really train, or does activating Hakai somehow like double his power?

Or did Beerus actually train?

 

[SIAD]

Beerus: 10
UI Goku: 7.5-8
UI Sign Goku: 5

That's being generous IMO.

So what I don't understand is why Beerus in the ToP exhibition match was so much weaker than full power Beerus. Did Beerus really train, or does activating Hakai somehow like double his power?

Or did Beerus actually train?

Surely I train in secret. Since then we can understand that Beerus continues to be superior to Goku, despite the fact that the latter very easily surpassed a Moro who was stronger than Broly.

Beerus won't let Goku and Vegeta get over him easily.

 

[Keedounan]

At this point? 0,5. And that's being generous. It seems quite clear that despite past statements like Belmod being below Jiren yet seemingly being a match for Beerus and other GoDs, or Broly being supposedly above Beerus, AT is still not quite ready to have Goku stronger than him, and he's implied to be weaker by a wide margin too!

To think he used to be equal to 60% of his power with Super Saiyan God.

 

[Pyro]

I don't think Beerus trains, or has trained in the last million or so years. The exhibition match is an oddity, but I think it can be worked around by the gods not going all-out, even though they were damaged. After all, we saw Cell get a workout despite being heavily suppressed, so the same could apply to the gods. Grand Priest stopped the fight before it could really kick into high gear.

 

[SIAD]

I don't think Beerus trains, or has trained in the last million or so years. The exhibition match is an oddity, but I think it can be worked around by the gods not going all-out, even though they were damaged. After all, we saw Cell get a workout despite being heavily suppressed, so the same could apply to the gods. Grand Priest stopped the fight before it could really kick into high gear.

But if the Destroyer Gods were holding back, there would be no defeated Destroyer Gods.

 

[Papasmurf]

Yeah, the weaker Hakaishin like Champa seemed like they were all tapped out. I think Beerus was intended to be full power there, but AT and Tracetaro just retconned it when him teaching Vegeta new techniques to help him catch up to Goku became a necessity. Hopefully it's explained in some form, like Hakaishin not being able to go all out without destroying each other or Beerus having meditated or something like that.