Is Doflamingo...

[Fantastische Hure]

...low New-World tier?

 

[Diamond Ryan]

A lot higher than that. Vergo is more along the lines of someone I'd consider low New World tier, and even he was capable of cracking Sanji's leg with a kick. Doflamingo is on a whole other level compared to that, to the point where even while grievously injured by the Gamma Knife, he was still capable of outperforming Gear Second and Third Luffy.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

A lot higher than that. Vergo is more along the lines of someone I'd consider low New World tier, and even he was capable of cracking Sanji's leg with a kick. Doflamingo is on a whole other level compared to that, to the point where even while grievously injured by the Gamma Knife, he was still capable of outperforming Gear Second and Third Luffy.

Would Vergo even be in the conversation for New-World tier? It seems that New World is supposed to be something absolutely unbeatable, even the henchmen are beasts that are giving Luffy trouble. Vergo was defeated by Law wasn't he?

 

[Diamond Ryan]

A lot higher than that. Vergo is more along the lines of someone I'd consider low New World tier, and even he was capable of cracking Sanji's leg with a kick. Doflamingo is on a whole other level compared to that, to the point where even while grievously injured by the Gamma Knife, he was still capable of outperforming Gear Second and Third Luffy.

Would Vergo even be in the conversation for New-World tier? It seems that New World is supposed to be something absolutely unbeatable, even the henchmen are beasts that are giving Luffy trouble. Vergo was defeated by Law wasn't he?

Indeed he was, but 'New World' is a rather broad spectrum. Being part of a crew in the New World and having haki doesn't necessarily make that person strong. For example, Boo, who was Don Chinjao's grandson and a lieutenant of a powerful navy in the New World had his CoA imbued axe break on a guy who was only said to be capable of taking down bounties of 100 million or more. By that virtue, Vergo is definitely someone to talk about; he's one of Doffy's top executives, and also a vice admiral. Law defeated him, but that just speaks about how strong Law is, and in turn, how strong Doflamingo is for taking down Law (twice) with mid difficulty at most.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

A lot higher than that. Vergo is more along the lines of someone I'd consider low New World tier, and even he was capable of cracking Sanji's leg with a kick. Doflamingo is on a whole other level compared to that, to the point where even while grievously injured by the Gamma Knife, he was still capable of outperforming Gear Second and Third Luffy.

Would Vergo even be in the conversation for New-World tier? It seems that New World is supposed to be something absolutely unbeatable, even the henchmen are beasts that are giving Luffy trouble. Vergo was defeated by Law wasn't he?

Indeed he was, but 'New World' is a rather broad spectrum. Being part of a crew in the New World and having haki doesn't necessarily make that person strong. For example, Boo, who was Don Chinjao's grandson and a lieutenant of a powerful navy in the New World had his CoA imbued axe break on a guy who was only said to be capable of taking down bounties of 100 million or more. By that virtue, Vergo is definitely someone to talk about; he's one of Doffy's top executives, and also a vice admiral. Law defeated him, but that just speaks about how strong Law is, and in turn, how strong Doflamingo is for taking down Law (twice) with mid difficulty at most.

Yeah, that's why I was doubting Vergo. I know that just being part of a crew that's in the new world doesn't make them automatically that strong, especially since that tier seems way up there. But I think I understand now. Thank you for the explanation. BTW does that mean Law is also New World tier?

 

[ahill1]

I'd say mid tier sounds better. Cavendish, Sai, Chinjao, Diamante and maybe Vergo are the likes of what I'd classify as low tier. Luffy's and his crew's training was pretty much their preparation to be ready for the Shin Sekai and I don't think it'd make much sense for Luffy to be a small frie in there, even more when Zoro seems pretty excited in taking New Worlds' fighter and hasn't met anyone who has taken away his boredom. Whilst Luffy is surely not in the top tier, still apparently paling in comparison to a Yonko, the mere fact he's already facing one would indicate (at least to me), he is someone to speak of in the NW, yet Doflamingo gave him a huge struggle before going down. Doffy is also apparently stronger than current Zoro and Law, whom both seem strong enough to at least go to a NW island and hang in there with apparently big deals like some of Kaido's underlings.

So yeah, I think mid tier works better for me, but I get the feeling that he might just be low NW tier considering he seemed to be Luffy and cia's first big challenge, with that fish man piece of shit being just their warm up for the Shin Sekai, as Zoro himself described. Maybe a 'low-mid tier' also sounds good (but sometimes I think he should be more than that due to being still considerably stronger than Law and Zoro while not even using his fruit FP) with commanders like Katakuri (is that the name of the guy who's defeating even G4 Luffy?) and Jack being high mid tiers.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I'd say mid tier sounds better. Cavendish, Sai, Chinjao, Diamante and maybe Vergo are the likes of what I'd classify as low tier. Luffy's and his crew's training was pretty much their preparation to be ready for the Shin Sekai and I don't think it'd make much sense for Luffy to be a small frie in there, even more when Zoro seems pretty excited in taking New Worlds' fighter and hasn't met anyone who has taken away his boredom. Whilst Luffy is surely not in the top tier, still apparently paling in comparison to a Yonko, the mere fact he's already facing one would indicate (at least to me), he is someone to speak of in the NW, yet Doflamingo gave him a huge struggle before going down. Doffy is also apparently stronger than current Zoro and Law, whom both seem strong enough to at least go to a NW island and hang in there with apparently big deals like some of Kaido's underlings.

So yeah, I think mid tier works better for me, but I get the feeling that he might just be low NW tier considering he seemed to be Luffy and cia's first big challenge, with that fish man piece of shit being just their warm up for the Shin Sekai, as Zoro himself described. Maybe a 'low-mid tier' also sounds good (but sometimes I think he should be more than that due to being still considerably stronger than Law and Zoro while not even using his fruit FP) with commanders like Katakuri (is that the name of the guy who's defeating even G4 Luffy?) and Jack being high mid tiers.

What indicates that Zoro is still weaker than Doflamingo? Anything in particular or just the fact that we haven't seen anything yet to say other-wise?

 

[ahill1]

I'd say mid tier sounds better. Cavendish, Sai, Chinjao, Diamante and maybe Vergo are the likes of what I'd classify as low tier. Luffy's and his crew's training was pretty much their preparation to be ready for the Shin Sekai and I don't think it'd make much sense for Luffy to be a small frie in there, even more when Zoro seems pretty excited in taking New Worlds' fighter and hasn't met anyone who has taken away his boredom. Whilst Luffy is surely not in the top tier, still apparently paling in comparison to a Yonko, the mere fact he's already facing one would indicate (at least to me), he is someone to speak of in the NW, yet Doflamingo gave him a huge struggle before going down. Doffy is also apparently stronger than current Zoro and Law, whom both seem strong enough to at least go to a NW island and hang in there with apparently big deals like some of Kaido's underlings.

So yeah, I think mid tier works better for me, but I get the feeling that he might just be low NW tier considering he seemed to be Luffy and cia's first big challenge, with that fish man piece of shit being just their warm up for the Shin Sekai, as Zoro himself described. Maybe a 'low-mid tier' also sounds good (but sometimes I think he should be more than that due to being still considerably stronger than Law and Zoro while not even using his fruit FP) with commanders like Katakuri (is that the name of the guy who's defeating even G4 Luffy?) and Jack being high mid tiers.

What indicates that Zoro is still weaker than Doflamingo? Anything in particular or just the fact that we haven't seen anything yet to say other-wise?

Well, Zoro was surely weaker than Doflamingo in Dressrosa and considering he wasn't pushed too far by Pica (not to the point he was scrambling into the ground like the others) I assume he didn't get much (if at all) stronger after the Dressrosa's struggle, with his effort to stop the birdcage being the most significant thing we saw from him effort-wise. Law probably did get a bigger boost considering how far the Doflamingo's fight took him, but I still think going from << base Doffy to on par with awakening Doffy would be a pretty big boost.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Yeah, Law is definitely up there. He gave Doflamingo legitimate trouble, and his fruit is very hax-based and can end a fight in an instant like with Vergo. Plus, he was given he position of Shichibukai by the World Government, so he was very well-known.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

LAW the GOAT!

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, Law is definitely up there. He gave Doflamingo legitimate trouble, and his fruit is very hax-based and can end a fight in an instant like with Vergo. Plus, he was given he position of Shichibukai by the World Government, so he was very well-known.

I think he was still considerably weaker than Doffy, with his Gamma Knife (which was performed successfully due to a strategy with Luffy) being the most dangerous thing to the Celestial Demon. Whilst he managed to injury Doflamingo with the Injection Shot earlier, Doflamingo probably got too caught up with Law revealing he is a D. and got careless, making himself an easier target. After this, Doffy stopped Law's attack using the environment with a Kumo no Sugaki and had already him in his hands without too much problems, saying how there were other ways of dealing with an enemy you are no match on your own.

He was considerably outclassed by base Doflamingo, nevermind awakening Doffy.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

I never said he was close to Doffy or anything like that, but that was just to show that Law is a relevant figure within the New World, in that he can give some trouble to someone as strong as Doflamingo.

 

[ahill1]

I never said he was close to Doffy or anything like that, but that was just to show that Law is a relevant figure within the New World, in that he can give some trouble to someone as strong as Doflamingo.

Well, you said he gave him legitimate trouble, to which I pointed out was just the case with the Gamma Knife and the usage of strategy with Luffy, implying he probably wouldn't be able to pull it off were he alone. But you can give him credit for having a powerful attack like that, though.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

I think we are considering trouble to be two different things. By trouble all I meant was that Doflamingo couldn't just roll over Law and couldn't take it easy while he was attacking, as demonstrated when Law landed the Injection Shot on him as a result of him letting his emotions get the better of him. It wasn't like with Sanji where Doffy could just trap him with Parasite and finish him off that way.

 

[ahill1]

Fair enough then.

Not related, but I think Sanji would do better if he were already fully aware of Doffy's Akuma no Mi.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Doflamingo did compliment Sanji though.

 

[SSJ2]

Does that mean much?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Does that mean much?

Probably not that much. I was just adding on-to what ahil said.

 

[SSJ2]

Doflamingo complimented his crew, so it's really just saying Sanji is at least that level imo

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Doflamingo complimented his crew, so it's really just saying Sanji is at least that level imo

sooooooooo...what's your answer to the thread? ?