Is Doflamingo...

[ahill1]

Is Kong Gun Gear 3? What the fuck is Leo Bazooka lol

Leo Bazooka was the attack that cracked Doflamingo down into that rocks, and made everyone think he was defeated, to which right after Luffy ran out of gas and Doffy came back.

Kong Gun is the 1st attack Luffy used while in Gear Fourth.

 

[SSJ2]

Sorry man, none of those details mean anything to my god-tier memory.

 

[ahill1]

Kong Gun:

Spoiler

Leo Bazooka:

Spoiler

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Do you guys think another Kong Gun or Leo Bazooka would take Doflamingo down? Or it had to be the King Kong Gun?

I haven't seen the whole fight. :toei :toei :toei

But Doflamingo seems to have god tier durability, so even if that didn't do, Luffy probably made sure he'll at-least go over-kill this time to make sure the mofo is down for good this time.

 

[SSJ2]

Perhaps two of those respective attacks would have finished him.

 

[ahill1]

Maybe Doflamingo God tier durability has to do with his awakening? Crocodile mentioned in Impel Down that those Zoans had their fruit awakened and that they'd in consequence 'come back' to their senses if they don't hurry or something like this. So maybe Doflamingo's awakening granted him this boost in durability as well. What is interesting is that Doflamingo seemed to be out for count for a while ( not even reacting when Luffy was about to land the "finishing blow" ) but then suddenly came back after Luffy could no longer fight.

 

[SSJ2]

That's a good theory.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Is he still?

 

[ahill1]

Well, via scaling he's around the levels of the strongest member of the Yonko's crew, so I'd say placing him at mid-tier of Shin Sekai seems fair. He'd get one-shotted by a Yonko much the same way G4 Luffy got, so for sure he isn't at a high tier level. But still getting up to the commanders of the Yonkos is quite a big deal, specially when Cracker stated his biscuit's armor has a bounty for itself, meaning rare are the occasions it's broken, a feat that can likely be replicated by Doflamingo.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Cracker was superior to Doflamingo though and Katakuri is even stronger.

 

[ahill1]

Cracker seemed to be as strong as Doflamingo if you ask me. Same general level. Cracker much the same way as Mingo used his cookies armors to keep distance of G4 Luffy, wearing him down, but being still unable to compete with him in a direct clash. Seemed pretty alike the Doffy's situation.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

But Cracker'd have won had it not been for the rain, IIRC. Also Cracker was called-down specifically, because Luffy took-down Doflamingo.

 

[ahill1]

But Cracker'd have won had it not been for the rain, IIRC. Also Cracker was called-down specifically, because Luffy took-down Doflamingo.

Well, Doflamingo would have also won if it weren't for Gyatts and his men keeping Doffy at bay when Luffy ran out of stamina.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

What about my second point?

 

[ahill1]

What about my second point?

It's a good point, but iirc some low tier members from Big Mom's crew like that tree-like being with the mirror power also thought in attacking Luffy knowing he took care of Doflamingo, and they were there at Big Mom's orderings if my memory isn't failing me, and they sure as hell aren't Doflamingo's tier. May need to reread that though.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

But Cracker'd have won had it not been for the rain, IIRC. Also Cracker was called-down specifically, because Luffy took-down Doflamingo.

Even without the rain, Luffy was keeping him at bay by eating his biscuit soldiers and was able to do so for hours on end. The hax of his biscuit soldiers infinite production could be seen as a main reason he was called to deal with Luffy, given how I'm sure even Doflamingo would struggle to counter the sheer amount of them.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

So are you saying Doflamingo > Cracker?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

In terms of power, that's arguable. Some translations have Luffy say Cracker has the strongest Busoshoku Haki he's seen, though later translations translate it as him just saying Cracker's Haki was incredibly strong plus the former would mean something as nonsensical as Cracker > Rayleigh. Cracker has worse durability than Doflamingo seeing as how he was oneshotted by Gear 4th whilst Doflamingo took quite a few strong attacks before the King Kong Gun took him out, though Cracker has the hax to mitigate this with his biscuit soldiers. The Birdcage is more durable and strong than anything Cracker can dish out, but can't be used as a conventional attack.

They're both on a comparable level, though in an all-out fight, I'd say Cracker would win since Doflamingo wouldn't have any way to counter the biscuit soldiers and would end up being worn out after some time, unless Overheat is hot enough to burn through and strike Cracker's real body.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

At the very minimum I'd say Cracker ~ Doflamingo.

 

[SSJ2]

Luffy @ Cracker > Luffy @ Doflamingo