Is Super Saiyan Blue 10x stronger than Super Saiyan?

[Pocket-Gog~]

I heard that the manga implies that's the case? Or have I been hearing it wrong.

 

[Six Trails]

It's "implied" by SS Goku not performing that much worse against Hit than SSB Vegeta who Whis stated wasn't even using 10% of his SSB power (because of the strain from using the form wearing him down). I think it makes more sense to assume that Hit wasn't using the same amount of effort against Goku since he basically tells Goku not to take him lightly and Goku's power is only noted as surpassing Vegeta when he uses Red. The God forms should realistically be well above the regular Super Saiyan forms.

 

[Future Warrior]

No. Even Super Saiyan God was said to be in a whole different world from SSJ3 in the ToP.

 

[Flame]

You've been hearing wrong, my friend.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

You've been hearing wrong, my friend.

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[Void]

A lot of people like to claim SS Goku ~ "less than 10%" SSB Vegeta based off the former's performance against Hit, but I think it's rather silly to assume dickhead assassin didn't adjust his power at all. Hit tells Goku to transform at the start, and when Goku transforms into Super Saiyan he is asked by Hit "Can you not turn Blue?"

 

[Zippy]

No blue is on a completely different level from the normal ssj levels

 

[Flame]

The way it's talked about in the tournament. It seems like Super Saiyan Blue is around 10x stronger than Super Saiyan god.

 

[Animelover5487]

A lot of people like to claim SS Goku ~ "less than 10%" SSB Vegeta based off the former's performance against Hit, but I think it's rather silly to assume dickhead assassin didn't adjust his power at all. Hit tells Goku to transform at the start, and when Goku transforms into Super Saiyan he is asked by Hit "Can you not turn Blue?"

Why would a no-nonsense assassin like Hit play along with Goku's stupidity rather than one shot him while he has the chance? Doesn't really make sense and is completely out of character.

 

[Six Trails]

Why would a no-nonsense assassin like Hit play along with Goku's stupidity rather than one shot him while he has the chance? Doesn't really make sense and is completely out of character.

He was already acting out-of-character when he was talking to Goku before the match - Fuwa specifically notes that. Son Goku must've just intrigued him or something. Hit also even entertained fighting Base Goku for a little bit instead of just one-shotting him. Are we going to start arguing 10% SSB Vegeta >~ SS Goku >~ Base Goku?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Not exactly 10x, but close enough based on the Hit fight. SSG being 10x SSJ works well.

No. Even Super Saiyan God was said to be in a whole different world from SSJ3 in the ToP.

That doesn't say much when even a 2x gap should be enough to constitute as being completely different tiers, if not far lower (eg. ~60k battle powers being able to oneshot Reacoom and Butta, Zarbon saying his monster form was leagues stronger than his base self in the anime, etc.). It's also important to note the quality of God Ki may play a part in the statement to some extent.

A lot of people like to claim SS Goku ~ "less than 10%" SSB Vegeta based off the former's performance against Hit, but I think it's rather silly to assume dickhead assassin didn't adjust his power at all. Hit tells Goku to transform at the start, and when Goku transforms into Super Saiyan he is asked by Hit "Can you not turn Blue?"

Beerus stated that Goku's power was definitely above Hit's, so I don't see why he'd make the statement if it was apparent Hit was using any less power than against Vegeta.

 

[Void]

He said Super Saiyan God was definitely above Hit's power which is why Hit's time skip stopped working.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Spoiler

Definitely doesn't sound like Beerus was factoring in SSG when he said this.

 

[Future Warrior]

Not exactly 10x, but close enough based on the Hit fight. SSG being 10x SSJ works well.

No. Even Super Saiyan God was said to be in a whole different world from SSJ3 in the ToP.

That doesn't say much when even a 2x gap should be enough to constitute as being completely different tiers, if not far lower (eg. ~60k battle powers being able to oneshot Reacoom and Butta, Zarbon saying his monster form was leagues stronger than his base self in the anime, etc.). It's also important to note the quality of God Ki may play a part in the statement to some extent.

A lot of people like to claim SS Goku ~ "less than 10%" SSB Vegeta based off the former's performance against Hit, but I think it's rather silly to assume dickhead assassin didn't adjust his power at all. Hit tells Goku to transform at the start, and when Goku transforms into Super Saiyan he is asked by Hit "Can you not turn Blue?"

Beerus stated that Goku's power was definitely above Hit's, so I don't see why he'd make the statement if it was apparent Hit was using any less power than against Vegeta.

''Whole different level'' as in Super Saiyan God is the biggest shift in power compared to the previous transformations. SSG itself is probably already at least 10x SSJ3.

If SSJ Goku was already stronger than Hit then why did Beerus ask for Whis to explain the situation when he was getting wrecked by God?

 

[Void]

Beerus says it's supposed to be above, he doesn't say it is above. That statement just confirms Hit > SS Goku.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

''Whole different level'' as in Super Saiyan God is the biggest shift in power compared to the previous transformations. SSG itself is probably already at least 10x SSJ3.

Doesn't say much when the difference between most stages of SSJ is shown to be pretty minimal in Super.

If SSJ Goku was already stronger than Hit then why did Beerus ask for Whis to explain the situation when he was getting wrecked by God?

Beerus uncharacteristically not seeming to catch on to Vegeta's drop in power, given how lazily Whis exposited that information. In other words, purely for audience exposition, like a lot of poorly handled power statements in Super. I don't necessarily like to use meta logic explanations, but given how obvious an answer they are to several unrealistic pieces of dialogue in Super, it's worth noting.

Beerus says it's supposed to be above, he doesn't say it is above. That statement just confirms Hit > SS Goku.

Context is key here. Beerus' statement was due to Hit not losing as much stamina from his Time Leap as Goku did from attempting to counter it made up for the power disadvantage, as clearly told to Champa by Vados.

 

[Future Warrior]

Doesn't say much when the difference between most stages of SSJ is shown to be pretty minimal in Super.

Shown where?

Beerus uncharacteristically not seeming to catch on to Vegeta's drop in power, given how lazily Whis exposited that information. In other words, purely for audience exposition, like a lot of poorly handled power statements in Super. I don't necessarily like to use meta logic explanations, but given how obvious an answer they are to several unrealistic pieces of dialogue in Super, it's worth noting.

Whis explaining it when Goku was using SSJ would still serve the same function to the narrative anyway though.

 

[Void]

It doesn't make sense for Whis and Beerus to explicitly point out SSG Goku > "less than 10%" Blue Vegeta if SS Goku had already matched that. Hit is smiling the whole time he fights SS Goku and taunting him. He seemed to take Blue Vegeta a lot more seriously.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

The fact is that the gap between SSG and SS3 was said to be huge hence SSB being just 10X of SSjin doesn't make sense when SS3 alone is around 8X of SSjin.

Basically

SSB > SSG >> SS3 >>>>> SSjin

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Shown where?

The gap between Base and SSJ doesn't seem to be so great of a game changer, given how it's been utilised in many of the battles featuring both. Goku's performance in base and SSJ against Hit seemed to be far from the 10-50x gap it was suggested to be in Z for the most part, as does Base Gohan being on par with Piccolo during the ToP despite not being suggested to be tiers above the other two Saiyans in base.

Whis explaining it when Goku was using SSJ would still serve the same function to the narrative anyway though.

The same can be said of 3 sources infodumping the laws of time travel in the manga's FT Arc (The teacher, Whis and the narrator) in the same scene, yet they still went with that when one would suffice. Toyotaro simply seems to like pointing out the obvious.

It doesn't make sense for Whis and Beerus to explicitly point out SSG Goku > "less than 10%" Blue Vegeta if SS Goku had already matched that. Hit is smiling the whole time he fights SS Goku and taunting him. He seemed to take Blue Vegeta a lot more seriously.

Vegeta can still be superior and keep things consistent. The gap between he and Initial Hit just needs to be smaller than that between SSG and SSB.
Hit's reaction likely has more to do with Goku's general character interesting him, something made obvious by the end of their fight. Taunting his opponent in general, regardless of the power difference, seems out of character for Hit after all.

The fact is that the gap between SSG and SS3 was said to be huge hence SSB being just 10X of SSjin doesn't make sense when SS3 alone is around 8X of SSjin.

Assuming the gap between SSJ and SS3 remained consistent with Z, which isn't necessary.