Is this correct

[Fantastische Hure]

SSJ-Blue Vegetto >>> Merged Zamasu >~/~ SSJ-God Vegetto ~ CSSJ-Blue Goku >>> SSJ3 Vegetto >>> SSJ2 Vegetto >>> SSJ Vegetto >>> Vegetto >>> SSJ-Blue Vegeta (with the trick) >> SSJ-Rosé Goku-Black >>> Zamasu

I think this is right.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Base Vegetto in the manga was trashing Merged Zamasu from the get go.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Zamasu and Goku aren't passing SSjin Vegito IMO.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Base Vegetto in the manga was trashing Merged Zamasu from the get go.

It wasn't a fight. One attack when he blasted him but then powered-up to blue right-away. Zamasu was also still confident.

 

[Mystic]

Yes it's correct.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yes it's correct.

Thank you, meng.

Toyotaro still made Potara as good in the manga as that was before.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Base Vegetto in the manga was trashing Merged Zamasu from the get go.

It wasn't a fight. One attack when he blasted him but then powered-up to blue right-away. Zamasu was also still confident.

Zamasu would have to be using a lot of his power. Considering SSJB = CSSJB in terms of power.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

He was toying with them beforehand. CSSJB is stated to be higher or at-least SSJB uses-up so much energy you can never keep that at peak.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

He was toying with them beforehand. CSSJB is stated to be higher or at-least SSJB uses-up so much energy you can never keep that at peak.

Yeah your right on the point of SSJB's stamina drain being that bad. I did reread the part with Vegetto and Zamasu. Zamasu was sweating with the ease of how Vegetto tore through him. And it does seem that Zamasu was banking on his immortality giving him the advantage against base Vegetto.

Spoiler

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Fair enough, but it could mean a number of things. Like them merging is what made him worried (IIRC he already knew) and the fact that his regular state was already that powerful. If regular Vegetto was enough what was the point of transforming? Especially to SSJB.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Fair enough, but it could mean a number of things. Like them merging is what made him worried (IIRC he already knew) and the fact that his regular state was already that powerful. If regular Vegetto was enough what was the point of transforming? Especially to SSJB.

You got a point, but knowing Toyo, I'd say he'd be more specific if that were the case.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Fair enough, but it could mean a number of things. Like them merging is what made him worried (IIRC he already knew) and the fact that his regular state was already that powerful. If regular Vegetto was enough what was the point of transforming? Especially to SSJB.

You got a point, but knowing Toyo, I'd say he'd be more specific if that were the case.

At-least in my opinion it can't get any more specific than transforming into the highest form. It would also make sense because Goku-Black was already God tier even-though Zamasu really should hold the fusion back but you could argue something like them basically being the same soul or something making a decent fusion.

Opinions though I guess.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'd say SSJ Vegetto would be enough to overpower Zamasu pretty easily. Whilst Merged Zamasu seemed confident of his superiority to Base Vegetto, this was a fatigued Vegetto and Zamasu's statement implied he couldn't just oneshot him. Vegetto also makes it clear during the same page that he doesn't intend on prolonging the fight. His main reason for jumping straight to SSB would be due to wanting to not take Zamasu's immortality lightly and use all his effort to make sure he could counter it with overwhelming power. That, and Vegeta VS Black shows the gap between SSG and SSB isn't monstrous, so I doubt Vegetto would stomp Zamasu anywhere near as badly if he were above his SSG form.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I'd say SSJ Vegetto would be enough to overpower Zamasu pretty easily. Whilst Merged Zamasu seemed confident of his superiority to Base Vegetto, this was a fatigued Vegetto and Zamasu's statement implied he couldn't just oneshot him. Vegetto also makes it clear during the same page that he doesn't intend on prolonging the fight. His main reason for jumping straight to SSB would be due to wanting to not take Zamasu's immortality lightly and use all his effort to make sure he could counter it with overwhelming power. That, and Vegeta VS Black shows the gap between SSG and SSB isn't monstrous, so I doubt Vegetto would stomp Zamasu anywhere near as badly if he were above his SSG form.

That's still a huge jump for someone who he could defeat just as a SSJ. It also makes perfect sense because Goku-Black is also God level, the only thing is Zamasu being so low. Maybe the souls being the same still created a high fusion.

Also SSJB Goku speed-blitzed & one-shotted Hit who was ~ SSJ-God Goku in the U6 vs U7 Tournament saga so that works.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

That's still a huge jump for someone who he could defeat just as a SSJ.

When facing an immortal, no gap is huge enough to avoid caution.

Also SSJB Goku speed-blitzed & one-shotted Hit who was ~ SSJ-God Goku in the U6 vs U7 Tournament saga so that works.

SSG Vegeta was able to dodge attacks from SSR Black despite later feats and statements suggest his gains from the Rosat were minimal, if even existent. Whilst I support the idea of the SSB Vegeta who fought SSJ Black not being at full power, I think it'd be a stretch to say he weakened to the same extent as against Hit or anything similar.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Goku and Vegeta fusion was great since they're equal which cannot be said the same thing to MZ due to Future Zamasu who is at best a SSjin2 tier iirc.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

That's still a huge jump for someone who he could defeat just as a SSJ.

When facing an immortal, no gap is huge enough to avoid caution.

Also SSJB Goku speed-blitzed & one-shotted Hit who was ~ SSJ-God Goku in the U6 vs U7 Tournament saga so that works.

SSG Vegeta was able to dodge attacks from SSR Black despite later feats and statements suggest his gains from the Rosat were minimal, if even existent. Whilst I support the idea of the SSB Vegeta who fought SSJ Black not being at full power, I think it'd be a stretch to say he weakened to the same extent as against Hit or anything similar.

Considering to his knowledge he had an hour left, it should have left him with enough time to test to see if he could over-whelm him as easily as you say he could.

SSJG Vegeta was said to be a joke by Goku-Black so either you can go by what you said. Or Vegeta managed to switch in and out of SSJB in such short bursts that he could dodge when he saw something coming.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Considering to his knowledge he had an hour left, it should have left him with enough time to test to see if he could over-whelm him as easily as you say he could.

Vegetto said he didn't plan on prolonging it at all, so it makes sense for him to be going all out even if unnecessary. After all, he'd already seen Zamasu's immortality take attacks from SSG Goku despite being at best close to his SS3 form's power, so it makes sense for Vegetto to not be giving a stronger Zamasu any chances.

SSJG Vegeta was said to be a joke by Goku-Black so either you can go by what you said. Or Vegeta managed to switch in and out of SSJB in such short bursts that he could dodge when he saw something coming.

Black's opinion was based on Vegeta telling him it was a form lower than the one Black previously defeated. Vegeta wouldn't be able to switch in and out in the first place if Black was above SSG Vegeta by enough to blitz him.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Considering to his knowledge he had an hour left, it should have left him with enough time to test to see if he could over-whelm him as easily as you say he could.

Vegetto said he didn't plan on prolonging it at all, so it makes sense for him to be going all out even if unnecessary. After all, he'd already seen Zamasu's immortality take attacks from SSG Goku despite being at best close to his SS3 form's power, so it makes sense for Vegetto to not be giving a stronger Zamasu any chances.

SSJG Vegeta was said to be a joke by Goku-Black so either you can go by what you said. Or Vegeta managed to switch in and out of SSJB in such short bursts that he could dodge when he saw something coming.

Black's opinion was based on Vegeta telling him it was a form lower than the one Black previously defeated. Vegeta wouldn't be able to switch in and out in the first place if Black was above SSG Vegeta by enough to blitz him.

He hadn't even seen SSJG before though. Clearly he probably sensed his Ki. How did the fight go in the manga? I forgot. If Vegeta let him attack him then all he had to do is wait for Goku-Black to throw a punch.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Or the first thought. Vegeta was below a tenth of his power.