Is this evidence for SSJ Goku (post ritual) > Super Vegetto (Buu Saga)?

[Natasha Romanoff]

Gohan stated that Goku's energy has grown larger than ever before, which Goku reconfirms:

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One can say that Gohan has never seen Vegetto.

However Piccolo seems to be aware of how Gohan got absorbed despite of him being absorbed within Buu:

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So, what do you think?

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

@GreatSaiyaman123
@SIAD

 

[Southern Gothic]

Maybe when he says "your power" he's referring to Goku as an individual since Gogeta or Vegetto would not be his power alone. The Saiyans often make this distinction in battle when their pride comes into play, such as refusing to fuse or even being dissapointed in the God Ritual because the power had to be borrowed.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Maybe when he says "you're power" he's referring to Goku as an individual since Gogeta or Vegetto would not be his power alone. The Saiyans often make this distinction in battle when their pride comes into play, such as refusing to fuse or even being dissapointed in the God Ritual because the power had to be borrowed.

Vegetto and Gogeta aren't different persons from Goku and Vegeta to each other to begin with, so it also accounts for that. Goku's comments also reaffirm that, which he doesn't consider himself as a different person from Vegetto.

 

[SIAD]

Goku and Vegeta SSJ2 in BoS were stronger than Ultimate Gohan.

After Goku SSJ3 was defeated by Beerus, Goku commented that not even Vegetto could against Beerus.

Later Vegeta SSJ2 (Enraged) bested Beerus (absolutely Suppressed), until Beerus turned on and humiliated Vegeta.

Goku SSJG (Initial) achieved a power that he never imagined could exist.

Goku SSJG (Initial) >>>>> Beerus (False 10%) >>> Vegeta SSJ2 (Enraged) > Beerus (Absolutely Suppressed) >> Vegetto SSJ3 (BoS) >>>>> Vegetto SSJ3 (Boo).

 

[Southern Gothic]

Vegetto and Gogeta aren't different persons from Goku and Vegeta to each other to begin with, so it also accounts for that. Goku's comments also reaffirm that, which he doesn't consider himself as a different person from Vegetto.

I'd say yes to that in terms of personality, but we've also seen the power that comes with fusion be treated with distinction. Otherwise they'd see the act of fusing as no big deal instead of a last resort.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

I'd say yes to that in terms of personality, but we've also seen the power that comes with fusion be treated with distinction. Otherwise they'd see the act of fusing as no big deal instead of a last resort.

Goku against both Kid Buu and Beerus says "With the potara I could've done it" or "if I could fuse with Vegeta", so I don't think he treats his power appart from being fused unless given context that show us the opposite.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Maybe, but probably not. Fusion isn’t Goku alone, it’s Goku + Vegeta. It’s like when the manga says Goku and Vegeta are “stronger than ever” post Broly.

I always assumed Piccolo was told what happened of sensing everything somehow. Everyone Boo absorbed was asleep inside him.

 

[Goku9001]

It's obviously just in reference to Goku since the whole point is for Goku's power to grow from the ritual to beat Beerus. Vegetto is irrelevant to all of this.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Maybe, but probably not. Fusion isn’t Goku alone, it’s Goku + Vegeta. It’s like when the manga says Goku and Vegeta are “stronger than ever” post Broly.

And Vegetto is clearly the same person as both Goku & Vegeta, otherwise, Goku wouldn't be remembering of the fact that he got separated neither the barrier.

I always assumed Piccolo was told what happened of sensing everything somehow. Everyone Boo absorbed was asleep inside him.

Or maybe they were aware of everything inside. Who knows, they are aware of those facts.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

It's obviously just in reference to Goku since the whole point is for Goku's power to grow from the ritual to beat Beerus. Vegetto is irrelevant to all of this.

So, Vegetto doesn't count in Goku's story?

 

[Goku9001]

So, Vegetto doesn't count in Goku's story?

They just wanted to see if Goku was becoming a Super Saiyan God. The only thing that was relevant was seeing if Goku's power was growing to the point where that may have been true. Vegetto doesn't count in this context.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

And Vegetto is clearly the same person as both Goku & Vegeta, otherwise, Goku wouldn't be remembering of the fact that he got separated neither the barrier.

Yes and no. Vegetto is Goku and Vegeta combined, so as far as awareness/consciousness goes Goku can consider himself Vegetto, but Vegetto’s power is not Goku’s power. He cannot use it without merging so it might as well not even count.

Or maybe they were aware of everything inside. Who knows, they are aware of those facts.

Probably. Goku saw the Androids Saga in his dreams, so maybe everyone saw Boo vs Vegetto inside him.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

They just wanted to see if Goku was becoming a Super Saiyan God. The only thing that was relevant was seeing if Goku's power was growing to the point where that may have been true. Vegetto doesn't count in this context.

And Goku after returning to Beerus says he doesn't have any clue of how defeating him, this should also count any Fusion method that they're aware of.

So a power up inferior to Vegetto doesn't seem to cut out the expectations. His ki increasing larger than ever enters on the tables of this.

"Your ki has gotten greater than ever except when..." doesn't work as a premise.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Yes and no. Vegetto is Goku and Vegeta combined, so as far as awareness/consciousness goes Goku can consider himself Vegetto, but Vegetto’s power is not Goku’s power. He cannot use it without merging so it might as well not even count.

Vegetto himself doesn't describe as a different person in either DBZ or Super:

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As I said before Goku talks about his possibilities of defeating Kid Buu about the SSJ3 and if he was Vegetto, and in both instances he refers as "I".

Probably. Goku saw the Androids Saga in his dreams, so maybe everyone saw Boo vs Vegetto inside him.

I remember Goku saying he heard everything while sleeping, but I have to check.

EDIT: You were actually right, he heard everything they were saying.

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In Broly's movie, Gogeta also talks to Piccolo about Vegetto and he seems to be aware of what Gogeta is talking him about.

 

[Goku9001]

And Goku after returning to Beerus says he doesn't have any clue of how defeating him, this should also count any Fusion method that they're aware of.

So a power up inferior to Vegetto doesn't seem to cut out the expectations. His ki increasing larger than ever enters on the tables of this.

"Your ki has gotten greater than ever except when..." doesn't work as a premise.

Context already means that clarification doesn't need to be inserted within the statement. The exclusion of Vegetto still checks out, my child.