Kaioshin vs Piccolo

[kriss-]

The terminology 'dimension' is always used to reference strength. It's too much of a reach to argue anything else and then agree that Kaioshin is stronger then Piccolo.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

That's not the point.Piccolo was lying.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

With DBS having become canon based on Toriyama's recent confirmations as it's writer, the argument of Piccolo lying is stronger than ever, given that DBS proved he can't sense Gods. If there's indeed a different quality to Kaioshin's Ki, there's no way Piccolo could sense it when everyone else could not based on that.

So yeah, Piccolo wrecks him.

 

[kriss-]

That's not the point.Piccolo was lying.

Oh but that is the point. It's never stated that Piccolo was lying.

I'm not buying it.

With DBS having become canon based on Toriyama's recent confirmations as it's writer, the argument of Piccolo lying is stronger than ever, given that DBS proved he can't sense Gods. If there's indeed a different quality to Kaioshin's Ki, there's no way Piccolo could sense it when everyone else could not based on that.

So yeah, Piccolo wrecks him.

That doesn't work anymore. A recent member suggested they could sense him, they just doesn't understand exactly it was they felt.

Still, Piccolo said he was in another dimension. And because it's implied the Z-Warriors can sense Kaioshin, then the burden of proof lies on you to provide a statement where Piccolo confirms he was lying.

Inventing something out of nothing just doesn't work unless something supports it.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

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[Evil Vegeta]

I think Kaioshin would decimate Piccolo, but Tosh, where is it implied they could sense Kaioshin?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It isn't. Vegeta clearly stated he couldn't sense Kaioshin's Ki. To say they could sense him is a textbook definition of inventing something out of nothing.

 

[Six Trails]

All Vegeta said is that he had trouble estimating Kaioshin's Ki. Not that he couldn't sense any. It's more of a stretch to make up things like "Piccolo lied" than to construe "I'm having trouble estimating this guy's Ki" to "This guy has no sensible Ki at all."

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Even Gohan can't sense Kibito and estimate his power base on appearance.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

All Vegeta said is that he had trouble estimating Kaioshin's Ki. Not that he couldn't sense any. It's more of a stretch to make up things like "Piccolo lied" than to construe "I'm having trouble estimating this guy's Ki" to "This guy has no sensible Ki at all."

I am not making up things.Piccolo at no other point ever mentions Kaioshin's power and only asks for his identity or freaks out around him due to him being THE Kaioshin and not because a guy who could kick his a**.
Piccolo surrendering due to Kaioshin's power at the Budokai also makes no sense from the story perspective.
He was entering with the intent of fighting Gohan, Vegeta and even Goku.

 

[ahill1]

Piccolo gave up out of veneration, that I don't disagree. Otherwise Piccolo wouldn't have backed up, no matter how outclassed he is. He didn't enter the tournament to surrender just because he wasn't the strongest in it, because like GokhanDBZfan said he entered with the intent of fighting Goku and Gohan and I doubt he even reached Goku's Cell Games strength.

I also don't think Piccolo could sense Kaioshin, since he never did any mention of how powerful he is or something like this. But Vegeta was just saying they could not gauge Kaioshin's power, that's different from saying he has no sensible ki. That's what Mike was saying imo.

I actually don't have that much of a problem with Kaioshin > Piccolo, but I'm still have a hard time seeing Kaioshin many times stronger than the base Saiyans.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

On the anime, Piccolo sensed Kaioshin.

 

[kriss-]

I think Kaioshin would decimate Piccolo, but Tosh, where is it implied they could sense Kaioshin?

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=33347

Because of this thread.

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

DBS Piccolo >>>>>>>>> Kaioshin > DBZ Piccolo.