Kaioshin vs Pui Pui

[GSM123]

@GreatSaiyaman123

All power statements are referring to power level. Toriyama has no idea how to create narratives that showcase a fighters abilities that have nothing to do with power level. Guldo is the only time he’s really done that right. Toriyama is a big power above all kind of guy and doesn’t take advantage of tactical advantages.

Otherwise the Kienzan + Solar Flare combo would be goated. Krillen can kill most people with that but does he ever show any confidence that he can? No, of course not.

Krillen should be able to kill Freeza and the Androids with Kienzan. But, Krillen is never suggested to be able to tussle with them on a pure speed and power level.

So just replace Krillen with Shin here and Kienzan with his psychic attacks. It’s the same scenario and they even crap their pants the same way.

From what we see, Kaioshin’s power is just his psychic attacks. We don’t see him doing anything else. If we’re not counting that then we should remove him from power chains altogether. I don’t think he’d have fought Piccolo with punches and kicks.

 

[Animelover5487]

@GreatSaiyaman123

All power statements are referring to power level. Toriyama has no idea how to create narratives that showcase a fighters abilities that have nothing to do with power level. Guldo is the only time he’s really done that right. Toriyama is a big power above all kind of guy and doesn’t take advantage of tactical advantages.

Otherwise the Kienzan + Solar Flare combo would be goated. Krillen can kill most people with that but does he ever show any confidence that he can? No, of course not.

Krillen should be able to kill Freeza and the Androids with Kienzan. But, Krillen is never suggested to be able to tussle with them on a pure speed and power level.

So just replace Krillen with Shin here and Kienzan with his psychic attacks. It’s the same scenario and they even crap their pants the same way.

You could make the argument that maybe they could still hear the Kienzan. They can't sense ki but the Kienzan is implied to be quite loud so they can use their other senses to dodge it.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Yeah Shin’s psychic attacks are clearly separated from his actual ki level. Since we are in the business of rating power levels, his psychic attacks don’t really matter for our purposes.

We don’t know how strong the psychic attacks are, moving Majin Buu means nothing. All we know is that his psychic attacks aren’t strong enough to give him any confidence against Yakon and Dabura.