Movie 10 LSSJ Broly vs SSJ2 Goku

[Buki]

Who wins?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Broly wins IMO. Since he destroyed SS2 Gohan easily and was said to be stronger than Goku by Daizenshuu (whether it was referring to SS2 Goku or not IDK).

 

[Keedounan]

Fearless more or less covered it. I'll also add that Gohan might not have been confirmed to be weaker than he was in Boo arc at the time they've completed the script, which would mean he was in fact stronger than he was as a kid.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

A Broly thread without [mention]Pakl[/mention] is a blasphemy.

 

[Tapion]

Broly's feats could probably be mostly repeated by a Pre-Majin SSj2 Vegeta, so as far as I'm personally concerned, that's what his power extends to. He'd lose rather easily to anything above that, both because he's raw brawn with no skill or smarts and because he's weaker.

Plus, arguing author intent, M8 Broly and Bojack were both reflections of weaker states of Cell, only slightly stronger (Suppressed Perfect Cell and Full-Power Perfect Cell, respectively), so it's liikely that Broly is meant to reflect Super Perfect Cell, only somewhat stronger as well.

 

[Buki]

The movie was revealed long after Gohan was said to be weaker. They copied his appearance from his fight with Kibito where Vegeta said Gohan was a lot weaker.

 

[BlazeDVH]

The movie was revealed long after Gohan was said to be weaker. They copied his appearance from his fight with Kibito where Vegeta said Gohan was a lot weaker.

Gohan in movie 10 is stronger than movie 9 gohan. Also the Movies Scale Differently Than The Main Timeline.

 

[Buki]

A Broly thread without @Pakl is a blasphemy.

Fearless more or less covered it. I'll also add that Gohan might not have been confirmed to be weaker than he was in Boo arc at the time they've completed the script, which would mean he was in fact stronger than he was as a kid.

The movie was revealed long after Gohan was said to be weaker. They copied his appearance from his fight with Kibito where Vegeta said Gohan was a lot weaker.

Gohan in movie 10 is stronger than movie 9 gohan. Also the Movies Scale Differently Than The Main Timeline.

Gohan in movie 10 is no different than in the beginning of the Boo Arc. Movies scaling differently than the main time line is plain wrong most of the times.

 

[p123]

Gohan M9 > Gohan M10 >>> Gohan M8

Broly is stated to be superior to Goku, so I'd say LSSJ Broly in M10 is about on par with Fat Buu Powered Up. Goku is going to need Majin Vegeta's help to take out the legendary beast.

 

[Buki]

You know, if it was not for Gohan's sketches in the Daizenshuu confirming he was SSJ2 vs Broly, I would think he was just SSJ or at least that he beat SSJ2 Teen Gohan and that's it. People fail to realize that unlike other movie villians, M10 Broly should not be comparable to anyone in the series because there was no one to compare him at that point. Only Gohan who is even weaker than his kid self. To me, Toei made Broly return in movies 10 and 11 becayse Goku could not appear in those movoes as his new forms were not known to the audience.

Yet people even dare to argue he was SSJ2 in movie 10 despite his appearance in the movie was not even relevant, (as stated by Goku himself) His SSJ2 not being revealed at that point and the entire point of him not appearing in the movie is the very same reason as his SSJ2 or SSJ3 never existed.

Laughable.

 

[p123]

Super Saiyan Broly > Super Saiyan Goku is stated in the guidebooks for this movie. Broly received a zenkai and is superior to Goku. LSSJ is at least as big of a boost as SSJ2. So Broly wins.

 

[Tapion]

Nothing suggests LSSj is as strong as SSj2 in boost, even if you adhere to the SEG and only have a 2x boost.

M8 SSj Broly is already stronger than an incomplete FPSSj Goku. Him being a measly 1.5x stronger than he is as a SSj when he goes LSSj would already be enough to do absolutely everything he did in M8.

Assuming SSj Broly is a 100 and SSj Goku is a 85, LSSj Broly could easily be a 150 and still be strong enough to tank the Kamehameha, mess with SSjG2 Vegeta, tank the double Masenko from Trunks and Gohan and overall utterly destroy the Z Senshi. Nappa did the same on Earth when he was hit by the powered-up Kikoho, despite still being held back enough to have his hand numbed by a 2,800 Masenko. Which suggests he was only slightly stronger than it in the state he was in at the time.

 

[p123]

Nah, what's the point of LSSJ if SSJ2 is stronger. Broly is clearly strong enough to whip out SSJ2, but does not.

Super Saiyan 2 Broly > LSSJ Broly is an absolute travesty, an idea with no logic or sense.

It's a Legendary form, special to Broly and Broly alone. If LSSJ is worse than the normal level up, what the hell is the point? It would not be special then, it would just be retarded.

 

[Buki]

A Broly thread without @Pakl is a blasphemy.

Fearless more or less covered it. I'll also add that Gohan might not have been confirmed to be weaker than he was in Boo arc at the time they've completed the script, which would mean he was in fact stronger than he was as a kid.

The movie was revealed long after Gohan was said to be weaker. They copied his appearance from his fight with Kibito where Vegeta said Gohan was a lot weaker.

Gohan in movie 10 is stronger than movie 9 gohan. Also the Movies Scale Differently Than The Main Timeline.

Super Saiyan Broly > Super Saiyan Goku is stated in the guidebooks for this movie. Broly received a zenkai and is superior to Goku. LSSJ is at least as big of a boost as SSJ2. So Broly wins.

Not that I have a problem with that but what does that have to do with what I said? SSJ Goku during the Boo arc was not even a thing. SSJ for goku stopped being relevant at that point so to compare Broly to him is fishy.

 

[p123]

That's irrelevant. The movie clearly indicates it's level for Broly and it's above Goku. It is what it is.

 

[Void]

Broly should win without too much trouble, but I think Goku and Majin Vegeta could take him down as a team.

 

[p123]

Yeah, same spot as Fat Buu Powered Up was. Goku thinks they can definitely take Fat Buu as a team, same goes for Broly in my book as well.

 

[Tapion]

I see that you have no evidence that LSSJ provides a similar boost to SSJ2.

There are two powered up states between SSj and SSj2, Grade II and III, which can both conform to Broly's versions depending on your point of view, and are more in line with the arc that Broly is supposed to reflect (aka the initial Perfect Cell arc), so no.

 

[p123]

Sure I do. It's called logic.

Grade 2 and Grade 3 are not LEGENDARY FORMS. Broly is the Legendary Saiyan, with the Legendary Form, it has to be at least equal to the regular progression or else, what's the point? Anything Goku/Gohan/Vegeta can do, Broly can do better. You do realize that right?

 

[Buki]

LSSJ appeared before SSJ2 so I fail to see whats so special about him.