Nappa's Battle Power

[Evil Vegeta]

After sensing Goku's power, Krillin still didn't believe Goku was ready to take on Nappa. He told Goku that they had power beyond imagination, and we know Nappa was the only one who's been fighting up to that point. Vegeta also didn't seem too alarmed when Goku was slowly raising his power, though it did get his attention. So with that, I don't believe Goku surpassed Nappa's level until he went to full-power. Once Nappa calmed down, I see him around the 7-7.5k range of power.

Hi, Evil Vegeta. Regarding the argument of "Kuririn thinking Goku was crazy facing the Saiyans alone" wouldn't that put the level Nappa used against the Z warriors above 5,000? And that seems pretty unlikely, considering Gohan's Masenko (2,800) was able to stung Nappa's arm.

Besides, one could say "Kuririn still had to consider Vegeta into all of this, who is seemingly stronger than Nappa". That's something the "4,000 supporters" would really say.

While that might seem unlikely, Krillin believing Nappa is beyond imagination with a level of power inferior to Goku's seems even more unlikely. I just think Nappa fought like a dumbass. He showed that he could one-shot them all if he truly wanted to.

When it comes to the Masenko, I often see the usual 4k crew use that example to prove a point even though the scene clearly established this as the highest power. That would automatically put Gohan above Piccolo, who has a level that isn't too far from Nappa's when going by the Daiz. Pretty much everyone agrees that Piccolo is nowhere near 3.5k against Nappa, but Nappa's level is supposedly legit.

As for Vegeta being above Nappa, I think the only one who seemed to question that was Piccolo. Beforehand, both Saiyans were grouped together in terms of power.

The "jet lag" mention is actually a good one, even if p was just kidding. Nappa did complain about being in suspended animation for so long.

 

[ahill1]

While that might seem unlikely, Krillin believing Nappa is beyond imagination with a level of power inferior to Goku's seems even more unlikely. I just think Nappa fought like a dumbass. He showed that he could one-shot them all if he truly wanted to.

So you think Nappa was like 6,000 vs the Z warriors?

When it comes to the Masenko, I often see the usual 4k crew use that example to prove a point even though the scene clearly established this as the highest power. That would automatically put Gohan above Piccolo, who has a level that isn't too far from Nappa's when going by the Daiz. Pretty much everyone agrees that Piccolo is nowhere near 3.5k against Nappa, but Nappa's level is supposedly legit.

I don't mean to be rude, but what does that have to do with Gohan's Masenko stinging Nappa's arm?

As for Vegeta being above Nappa, I think the only one who seemed to question that was Piccolo. Beforehand, both Saiyans were grouped together in terms of power.

Well, so one could say Kuririn thought 5,000 Goku had no chance against two warriors at 4,000, no?

 

[p123]

The people who think Nappa is 4k are subhuman miscreant bottom feeding scum. These are the same kind of people who fight for gender identity and gender pronoun shit. Scum of the earth kind of people. Fuck them.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Because the Daizenshuu said so?

You changed your name again? I can't wait to see Fearless Gotenks

Gotenks? Never! I'd rather change my name into Mr. Satan than that.

 

[Jerk Store]

So Nappa's durability doesn't factor into his gap?

No amount of durability will allow someone to fight evenly and trade blows with a stronger opponent.

Not sure why people even bring it up. Durability allows someone to take more punishment and not be injured or take damage as easily as another, but it has no effect on combat ability or speed.

Therefore Nappa fighting pretty much evenly with Goku during their "round 2" has nothing to do with durability.

 

[Pyro]

So Nappa's durability doesn't factor into his gap?

No amount of durability will allow someone to fight evenly and trade blows with a stronger opponent.

Not sure why people even bring it up. Durability allows someone to take more punishment and not be injured or take damage as easily as another, but it has no effect on combat ability or speed.

Therefore Nappa fighting pretty much evenly with Goku during their "round 2" has nothing to do with durability.

I agree. Good looking, man.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

So you think Nappa was like 6,000 vs the Z warriors?

Pretty much. He fought like an idiot, but he could've killed any of them whenever he felt like it. He intentionally kept Piccolo alive, who was the strongest and easily knocked him out with an elbow. Nappa being close to 6k or a bit over it wouldn't be an issue.

I don't mean to be rude, but what does that have to do with Gohan's Masenko stinging Nappa's arm?

It doesn't really tell us anything about Nappa's power. All it tells us is the attack stung his arm.

Well, so one could say Kuririn thought 5,000 Goku had no chance against two warriors at 4,000, no?

Because both guys with a noticeably weaker power than Goku somehow possess power beyond his imagination? I doubt it. It's more comparable to the Ginyu situation where Krillin and Gohan thought Goku had no chance against the Ginyu Force at his suppressed level. Gohan even said Goku's Chi was a lot weaker than theirs, and Krillin figured that Goku must've been so strong that the Ginyu Force looked weak compared to him. I see no reason why suppressed Goku needs to be above Nappa.

 

[SSJ2]

Aweee, Toshit trying to be cute and quoting us on another forum.

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1261389

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

I'd say a little under 5,000 suppressed, 6,250 at full power.

 

[Jerk Store]

Aweee, Toshit trying to be cute and quoting us on another forum.

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1261389

Adorable!

 

[p123]

Of course. Like I said, people who push Nappa is 4k have a mental illness. Daizenshuuism is the term I believe.

 

[theallpowerfulpuipui]

Because the Daizenshuu said so?

I mean honestly if not for the Daiz would anyone ever try to say he was 4,000?

 

[theallpowerfulpuipui]

Nappa was clearly above 8000, and also above Son Goku as well (he probably was 9.000). His ki got disrupted by his emotions during the first part of the fight (against the Z-warriors and Goku) and that among the Daizenshuu guide that was made by someone that only remembered Goku's entrance when gave his number is what confuses that many fans all over the world.

Regarding Gohan's masenko, I don't think it was the attack that scored 2800, but Gohan as a whole. Remember that Gohan was already at 981 before enraging, so the masenko scoring 2800 when Gohan is enraged is too low (and Nappa would have had no problem in deflecting a 2800 attack with his punch if his power was 4000-5000 with his Ki disrupted).
With Gohan at 2800 on the other hand, it's easy for the masenko to reach 4000 units which would explain why Nappa's hand ended numb.

This post perfectly demonstrates how creative you have to be with the math and how much you have make up to give Nappa a 7500 power level.

 

[theallpowerfulpuipui]

Here's a pretty good summary of the Nappa fight:
[youtube]X5uYAwErEWE[/youtube]

 

[freezamite]

Nappa was clearly above 8000, and also above Son Goku as well (he probably was 9.000). His ki got disrupted by his emotions during the first part of the fight (against the Z-warriors and Goku) and that among the Daizenshuu guide that was made by someone that only remembered Goku's entrance when gave his number is what confuses that many fans all over the world.

Regarding Gohan's masenko, I don't think it was the attack that scored 2800, but Gohan as a whole. Remember that Gohan was already at 981 before enraging, so the masenko scoring 2800 when Gohan is enraged is too low (and Nappa would have had no problem in deflecting a 2800 attack with his punch if his power was 4000-5000 with his Ki disrupted).
With Gohan at 2800 on the other hand, it's easy for the masenko to reach 4000 units which would explain why Nappa's hand ended numb.

This post perfectly demonstrates how creative you have to be with the math and how much you have make up to give Nappa a 7500 power level.

Efectively, to give Nappa a power of just 7500 needs a lot of creativity and imagination, it has to be at least above 8000 and probably close to 9000.
Of course, giving him a power of less than 7500 means not knowing even the most basic facts.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Nappa: 7,280
- suppressed: 4,000

 

[p123]

It's like they don't understand that their inability to hide their ki from a scouter doesn't mean they can't for all intents and purposes, suppress their power. They do it all the time.

 

[freezamite]

It's like they don't understand that their inability to hide their ki from a scouter doesn't mean they can't for all intents and purposes, suppress their power. They do it all the time.

Yes. Not being able to lower one's ki doesn't mean that one can't restrict the power of their hits. We, random humans beings from the real world, can't manipulate our Ki either (according to the rules of DB), but we can of course restrict the strength of our hits enough to be able to hurt another adult human if we hit hard, or not even hurting a little kid if we "hit" him softly enough.
A saiyan or any other living being in DB can do something like this with no problem.

 

[Jerk Store]

I don't know why so many people struggle with that. Nappa and Vegeta weren't shitting their pants when they powered up, that's for sure. No matter how much it looks like they are when they power up, their undies were clean..... At least until Goku broke Nappa's back anyway!

Nappa was clearly using a set amount of strength to fight the scrubs, powered up to full against Goku. Same way Vegeta did later on against Goku.

Not being able to suppress ki wont fool a scouter, but it does fool natural senses. Suppressing fools senses and scouters.

 

[p123]

Exactly. There are countless statements about Raditz, Nappa and Vegeta "powering up". It's another fucking mental illness by the Daizenshuu people, they really need to lick balls, this shit ain't that hard.