Nappa's Battle Power

[theallpowerfulpuipui]

Nappa was clearly above 8000, and also above Son Goku as well (he probably was 9.000). His ki got disrupted by his emotions during the first part of the fight (against the Z-warriors and Goku) and that among the Daizenshuu guide that was made by someone that only remembered Goku's entrance when gave his number is what confuses that many fans all over the world.

Regarding Gohan's masenko, I don't think it was the attack that scored 2800, but Gohan as a whole. Remember that Gohan was already at 981 before enraging, so the masenko scoring 2800 when Gohan is enraged is too low (and Nappa would have had no problem in deflecting a 2800 attack with his punch if his power was 4000-5000 with his Ki disrupted).
With Gohan at 2800 on the other hand, it's easy for the masenko to reach 4000 units which would explain why Nappa's hand ended numb.

This post perfectly demonstrates how creative you have to be with the math and how much you have make up to give Nappa a 7500 power level.

Efectively, to give Nappa a power of just 7500 needs a lot of creativity and imagination, it has to be at least above 8000 and probably close to 9000.
Of course, giving him a power of less than 7500 means not knowing even the most basic facts.

9000? Nappa must give a mean blow job.

 

[p123]

No way is he 9,000. But he can be 8000 or over 8000, he's right there with Goku.

 

[Jerk Store]

I love how people discount Goku saying the fight would take forever at their rate. Does that sound like something a non serious person would say?

People also seem to mistake humiliation for not being serious. Goku was serious during that fight. Some dear friends just died, including the one linking the dragon balls. But Goku also humiliated Nappa while seriously thrashing him UNTIL he calmed down and they fought evenly.

Goku standing on his head was silly good fun for us, but that doesn't mean Goku wasn't being serious. He proceeded to beat the shit outta Nappa after doing that too.

Goku was testing his skills, speed, reflexes, etc. while also seriously thrashing on ol' Nappy.

Anyway, if people wanna bloat Nappa to 8k+, whatever, but I try to be moderate by putting him between 7-7.5k. If people wanna go lower to like 6k even, I can make that work. At 6k, you just gotta give Nappa more skill credit, that's all.

 

[p123]

I don't know why you consider 8k+ bloating? He took some severe damage, had to have had at least some fatigue from all of the fighting he did. Jet lag... There's a lot of reasons he isn't fighting at his absolute optimum power.

Let's assume Goku is 8,200 here for a second...

7,000 is only 85% of 8,200, that's not even close to being an option here.

7,500 is 91% of 8,200. Again, not realistic here.

Nappa has earned his rightful place of being at least 95% of Goku. That brings up to 7,800.

For someone as low as 7 or 7.5k, the fight wouldn't take "forever" as stated by Goku and Vegeta. So why disagree with them?

Nappa ( Calmed Down ) vs Goku is closer than Goku vs Freeza was. So Nappa, without being in optimum circumstances is right up there with Goku. It's quite possible an optimum Nappa is exactly even, if not stronger. That's a real case there. Anything else is Gokuism imo.

Your numbers don't make any sense at all, 6k can't possibly be realistic. These are noobie numbers, you are better than that.

 

[freezamite]

dp, sorry

 

[freezamite]

9000? Nappa must give a mean blow job.

Nappa managed to nearly equal a 8000+ Goku despite having been fighting for a while and having been beaten by Goku.
Do you even know your facts?

No way is he 9,000. But he can be 8000 or over 8000, he's right there with Goku.

That would be right if Nappa's first fight was the one against Goku while already having calmed down.
But before being right there with Goku, Napa lost energy both fighting the z-warriors and (mostly) with the beating he received from Goku. Even the 9000 number is too low if we are faithful to the manga.

Let's analyze the situation with all the facts from the manga to conclude how strong he really was.
Facts that normally apply in a DB fight:
1. When giving a PL estimation, a scoutter analyses a lot of parameters besides the Ki amount (like the speed for example, as seen when Goku took off his weigthed clothes and his PL was updated to a higher number to reflect that).

2. Since the power level depends on multiple factors, two fighters with the same power level may differ a lot in terms of fighting abilities (Freezer's special forces has Burter and Reecome with a very similar PL, but specialized in different things -brute force for Reecome and speed for Burter-).

3. When a fighter only uses a fraction of his power, his stats are all reduced proportionally. It doesn't matter if that's a result of the fighter doing it on purpose (Freezer, Cell or Vegeta in Namek) or because he lacks control over his Ki (all the SSJ or Nappa).

4· When a fighter is injured, the strength he loses is proportional to the gravity of the injuries he has received. It doesn't matter if he was fighting all out or just with a fraction of his power (a clear example is Vegeta in Namek. He lowered his ki so even Krilin would be able to fatally injure him, and after the fact, he wasn't able even to properly walk. If dende hadn't helped him, he would have been killed there).

5. Once the attack one receives is a 10% higher (in PL units) than the damage a fighter can take, the damage dealt is massive (see Gohan's headbutt to Radit's chest).

Now with that on mind, let's analyze Nappa's fight against Goku.
1. In the first part of the fight Goku completely dominates him in terms of speed and strength, but Nappa is able to resist Goku's hits and take damage as if they were more or less even.
Goku is surprised with how durable Nappa is, which means that Nappa is an unbalanced fighter that resists the damage taken much better than what should be expected from a fighter with his speed and strength.

2. It's a fact that once calmed, Nappa was able to match Goku's speed and strength. From the fact that he could endure a KameHame (one rapidly fired, but still much stronger than a 8000+ punch to the face) without being visibly damaged it's demonstrated that, as suspected, his resistance also increased as well (otherwise Goku wouldn't be as surprised as he was).

Now it's a matter of scaling:
The lower we assume Nappa was when he fought the z-warriors, the stronger he has to be.
For example, if we give him a speed and strength of 4.000 when he isn't calmed, his endurance has to be double than that for him to be able to resist Goku's first assault.
On the other hand if we assume he was at 6000 and only playing with them, then his resistance 'only' needs to be a 50% higher to resist Goku's attacks.

All that is not even accounting for the energy Nappa had lost until he calmed down.
So, when Nappa calms down, he is able to evenly fight with Goku. That means that his speed and strength were at a minimum of 8000, probably 8000+ like Goku. But his resistance was much higher, so even without accounting for the energy he had lost, he probably already was in the overall 9000+ units there.
If we considere the energy he had lost until then, probably 10.000 is a closer number. And if we accept the nonsensical 4000 Daizenshuu number as a good estimation for the first part of the fight even an overall PL of 12000 is possible, since in that scenario Nappa would have to have an absurdly high damage resistance (compared to his strength and speed) while still being able to match Goku's 8000+ speed and strength when calmed down.

 

[theallpowerfulpuipui]

Nappa managed to nearly equal a 8000+ Goku despite having been fighting for a while and having been beaten by Goku.

Do you even know your facts?

Do you?

 

[Jerk Store]

Uh-ooooooh!

 

[freezamite]

Nappa managed to nearly equal a 8000+ Goku despite having been fighting for a while and having been beaten by Goku.

Do you even know your facts?

Do you?

Look, it's Dragon Ball manga chapters 225 to 227. READ IT. It's absolutely undeniable that Nappa matches Goku when he calms down. Learn your facts.

 

[theallpowerfulpuipui]

Nappa managed to nearly equal a 8000+ Goku despite having been fighting for a while and having been beaten by Goku.

Do you even know your facts?

Do you?

Look, it's Dragon Ball manga chapters 225 to 227. READ IT. It's absolutely undeniable that Nappa matches Goku when he calms down. Learn your facts.

I've learned my facts, all of them. After complete analysis of the situation and scientific testing Nappa's battle power is 4,821.

I don't subscribe to your alternative facts!

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Let's just go back in time and ask troiyammer himself

 

[theallpowerfulpuipui]

 

[ahill1]

@p123 - how strong was Nappa when fighting the Z warriors?

 

[p123]

First time that troll freezamite aka tosh reincarnated made any sense.

Dunno, I guess he's 3,000 against them?

 

[p123]

First time that troll freezamite aka tosh reincarnated made any sense.

Dunno, I guess he's 3,000 against them?

 

[ahill1]

Well, but what about Kuririn thinking Goku was crazy for defying the Saiyans with a power level of 5,000? Doesn't it imply Nappa was above 5000?

 

[p123]

That's a good question, let's investigate it...

At first, neither Nappa nor Vegeta can be truly sensed correct? They have no idea that Vegeta is >> Nappa, then when Nappa powers up, they are shocked.

Correct?

 

[ahill1]

Yep! When they show up, all the Z warriors say is that they have a powerful chi, without flat out admitting inferiority. But after Nappa does his "power up" all of them are flabbergasted and didn't think they were so strong. And after Nappa showing his prowess, Kuririn calls Goku crazy for thinking he could take them alone, saying their powers are beyond imagination. That would imply the level Nappa showed thus far was > 5,000. But that does not compute with Gohan's Masenko stinging his arm. Dunno.

 

[p123]

Yea sounds like bad writing. I have to read that section over...I'm very busy though, would you look that over again and find out what we can to make sense of it?

 

[ahill1]

Well I did read it last week and I all I have to say is that Kuririn maybe was factoring Vegeta into all of this, a foe seemingly stronger than Nappa (see Nappa's freaking out scene). But I'd say Nappa had to be at least 4,000 vs the Z warriors for Kuririn to be thinking Goku couldn't do it alone. If Nappa were at 3,000 (60% of Goku), then I think Kuririn wouldn't even doubt his chances, even if he knew Vegeta was probably more powerful.

There's the full color manga for the Saiyan Saga available for free on http://mangalife.org/manga/Dragon-Ball-Full-Color-Saiyan-Arc. When you have a free time, read it there. I'd like to see your input into this.