One Piece Discussion

[ahill1]

I mean it was a let down. The fight left to be desired, it was almost not shown.

 

[Future Warrior]

Oda does that with a lot of fights.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

That doesn't make sense. "Uhh I don't know why Robin is betraying us so I won't punch as hard as I can". Talk about silly. That ain't happening here, sorry. Zoro directly said that Usopp, like them, went through all the challenges in the different islands and then boosted his strength like them. That's directly tied to the reason they got considerably stronger, not a supposedly mental block generated by Robin betraying them, that shouldn't have ANY influence in how hard they hit. Blueno stopped Luffy easily and tanked all his attacks... are you saying Luffy wasn't hitting as hard there since he was confused by Robin's actions? Uh-huh.

It's made pretty clear how much of a difference their mentality had with Luffy going from being trapped between buildings to easily pushing them aside once he found out Robin hadn't betrayed them.

I agree with you that it doesn't make sense for mental stress to have that much of an effect on the entire crew's capabilities and is even inconsistent with how little difference the events with Sanji made on Whole Cake Island to their strength, but it's pretty clear Oda was going for them being weakened by a lack of resolve.

 

[ahill1]

It's made pretty clear how much of a difference their mentality had with Luffy going from being trapped between buildings to easily pushing them aside once he found out Robin hadn't betrayed them.

I agree with you that it doesn't make sense for mental stress to have that much of an effect on the entire crew's capabilities and is even inconsistent with how little difference the events with Sanji made on Whole Cake Island to their strength, but it's pretty clear Oda was going for them being weakened by a lack of resolve.

That could be taken merely as a resolve boost from Luffy. Now that he's sure Robin really needs his help and is trying to save the crew, he pulled strength from his depths and pushed the buildings.

I don't see that as meaning Luffy was weakened before. Sure, he was unsure at Robin's motives, but that doesn't mean it had a conscious effect on how hard he tried against the CP9 members... he was merely confused at why she was leaving them. Now that he knows her true reasons, he surpasses what he previously had and can with a clearity of mind push through his limits. It's all about surpassing their limits, not going back to what they previously were.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

That could be taken merely as a resolve boost from Luffy. Now that he's sure Robin really needs his help and is trying to save the crew, he pulled strength from his depths and pushed the buildings.

Zoro was able to lift a building back in Alabasta without any resolve bost. There's no reason Luffy wouldn't have been able to push those two buildings immediately if he were operating at full strength. It's bad writing, but it's hard to deny he got plot nerfed during the events in Water 7.

It's all about surpassing their limits, not going back to what they previously were.

They did do that through their new techniques though (Gears, Asura, Diable Jambe), so the resolve boost needn't necessarily bring them beyond their previous limits.

 

[ahill1]

Zoro was able to lift a building back in Alabasta without any resolve bost. There's no reason Luffy wouldn't have been able to push those two buildings immediately if he were operating at full strength. It's bad writing, but it's hard to deny he got plot nerfed during in Water 7.

Lifting a building is different from pushing two buildings that were smashing Luffy leaving him in a bad position to moister his true strength. Arlong also lifted a building similar to Zoro, and Luffy couldn't get out of the building Dorry put in him at Little Garden.

They did do that through their new techniques though (Gears, Asura, Diable Jambe), so the resolve boost needn't necessarily bring them beyond their previous limits.

They did that with the new techniques AND in their base power, considering their way better performance.

 

[Future Warrior]

Tbh, I found the confrontation to be pretty consistent. They were fighting against people that had techniques that they've never seen before. It was a mix of lack of resolve and dealing with guys that were out of the ordinary when it came to their fighting style. Rob Lucci was the only one that really ''stomped'' the Straw Hats, and only in his Zoan state no less. And that was before Luffy and co. started developing their power further.

 

[Future Warrior]

Marco has been confirmed to have 1.374B bounty in new vivre card.

 

[SSJ2]

So King will likely have a higher bounty? Not that bounties are consistent or correlate to strength, but I find that laughable. What has King done?

 

[Future Warrior]

He’s fighting Marco one on one and he hasn’t even shown hybrid form yet.

 

[SSJ2]

Marco was kicking both his and Queen's ass tho.

 

[Future Warrior]

In their human/zoan forms only. Hybrid is a big boost.

 

[SSJ2]

I don't know if that's 100% true. It doesn't seem like a big boost for marco

 

[Future Warrior]

I don't know if that's 100% true. It doesn't seem like a big boost for marco

How so?

 

[SSJ2]

I haven't seen anything that would imply that his power changes between his forms.

 

[Future Warrior]

Is Rob Lucci's hybrid form power the same as his human form?

 

[SSJ2]

I'm not disagreeing that it can be the case. I just can't call it a set rule until I see feats from Marco that outstrip his other feats.

 

[SSJ2]

@Future Warrior have your post Wano bounty guesses changed? Will Sanji be above Queen if he wins?

 

[Future Warrior]

My predictions haven't changed.

Luffy - 3 Billion
Zoro - 1.52 Billion
Sanji - 1.33 Billion
Jinbei - 838 Million

Law - 1.8 billion
Kid - 2 billion

 

[Pocket-God]

Did Luffy die yet?