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Goku 1,000
Majin Yakon 900
Vegeta 800
Kid Gohan 750
Gohan 600
RoF Gohan 500
Vegeta (vs Pui Pui) 450
RoF Piccolo 375
Piccolo 350
Vegeta CG 305
Trunks CG 300
Kid Trunks Rosat 300
Goten Rosat 290
Pui Pui 300
Trunks 250
Goten 240
Android 18 225
Expected Saiyans 200
Kaioshin 150
Man, I think this is pretty perfect. Notice how I placed RoF Gohan in here. RoF Gohan is piss weak, in the anime there seems to be talk about him possibly being weaker than Kid Gohan. I have enough room to actually make this work.
The only way to make RoF Gohan piss weak compared to Kid Gohan and super strong against the boys is to put him around either Goku CG or Teen Gohan's level. I opted to make him even weaker than his Buu Saga self and put him in line with CG Goku.
I made RoF Piccolo at 75% of RoF Gohan, showing the huge disparity in power between the two of them.
Here's the breakdown of Piccolo's power over the course of being Kamiccolo.
Piccolo (vs 17) 250
Post Rosat 325
Buu Saga 350
BoG/RoF 375
I think Piccolo > Kaioshin is the only way to make majority of these things work. He's clearly nowhere near as strong as implied and perhaps Piccolo picks up on his God abilities or something, which appear to be at least Super Saiyan tier or even better.
Gohan >>> (Vegeta vs Pui Pui) >>> Pui Pui >>> Expected Saiyans >> Kaioshin
There's no way that will jive with the idea of the boys being close to the adults and Piccolo still being stronger than the boys. I think I've found the only way to make all of this work.
Kaioshin ends up being equal with Goku, but not CG Goku, he's equal with Androids Saga Goku, which is enough power to kill Freeza in one shot.
Vegeta (vs Pui Pui) should be well above his power at the CG, considering Gohan and Goku in the anime filler comment on Vegeta being much stronger now, yet, still way below Gohan's level, since Gohan can help out against Yakon and Babidi expects Yakon to kill 3 Vegetas easily.
I think I've finally gotten my resolution on what to do with these characters. See, most people don't realize what an absolute nuisance it is to power scale things at this point of the series. You literally can't power scale the complete Cell Games until you've addressed RoF Gohan vs Piccolo issues as well as where the Buu Saga powers end up. You have to go 100 steps forward to complete 1 step.
It's such a pain.
And that Kaioshin thing was a nightmare, I think I'm comfortable with this. There's no way the adults are 10x the kids.
Toriyama clearly changes certain ideas from the Budokai into Babidi's ship, so this seems to be a good way to handle things.
Kaioshin considers Babidi a real threat, Piccolo walks through him like nothing.
I doubt I'll ever even power scale Super, but I'd like to set myself up to be able to do it. Or perhaps someone can continue my work one day.
The Fusion stuff is going to be difficult, the big question is whether or not to give fusions the same boosts as everyone else. Logic would dictate yes, otherwise, Vegetto using Kkx10 against Buuhan would have been more logical.
But that's an issue I'm not ready to cover yet.
Now with the new Budokai Retcon logic, I have to take some time to figure out how to do the Super Saiyan 2 Boost.
I think 4x is probably still going to be the right number. Super Saiyan 3 might be 10x. And if you are going 4x for Super Saiyan 2, it feels like why not make it a clean 5x?
I feel like 3x for SSj2 works good as well.
Perhaps and 8x SSj3 boost would work too? Essentially just doubling the SEG numbers?
Majin Yakon 900
Vegeta 800
Kid Gohan 750
Gohan 600
RoF Gohan 500
Vegeta (vs Pui Pui) 450
RoF Piccolo 375
Piccolo 350
Vegeta CG 305
Trunks CG 300
Kid Trunks Rosat 300
Goten Rosat 290
Pui Pui 300
Trunks 250
Goten 240
Android 18 225
Expected Saiyans 200
Kaioshin 150
Man, I think this is pretty perfect. Notice how I placed RoF Gohan in here. RoF Gohan is piss weak, in the anime there seems to be talk about him possibly being weaker than Kid Gohan. I have enough room to actually make this work.
The only way to make RoF Gohan piss weak compared to Kid Gohan and super strong against the boys is to put him around either Goku CG or Teen Gohan's level. I opted to make him even weaker than his Buu Saga self and put him in line with CG Goku.
I made RoF Piccolo at 75% of RoF Gohan, showing the huge disparity in power between the two of them.
Here's the breakdown of Piccolo's power over the course of being Kamiccolo.
Piccolo (vs 17) 250
Post Rosat 325
Buu Saga 350
BoG/RoF 375
I think Piccolo > Kaioshin is the only way to make majority of these things work. He's clearly nowhere near as strong as implied and perhaps Piccolo picks up on his God abilities or something, which appear to be at least Super Saiyan tier or even better.
Gohan >>> (Vegeta vs Pui Pui) >>> Pui Pui >>> Expected Saiyans >> Kaioshin
There's no way that will jive with the idea of the boys being close to the adults and Piccolo still being stronger than the boys. I think I've found the only way to make all of this work.
Kaioshin ends up being equal with Goku, but not CG Goku, he's equal with Androids Saga Goku, which is enough power to kill Freeza in one shot.
Vegeta (vs Pui Pui) should be well above his power at the CG, considering Gohan and Goku in the anime filler comment on Vegeta being much stronger now, yet, still way below Gohan's level, since Gohan can help out against Yakon and Babidi expects Yakon to kill 3 Vegetas easily.
I think I've finally gotten my resolution on what to do with these characters. See, most people don't realize what an absolute nuisance it is to power scale things at this point of the series. You literally can't power scale the complete Cell Games until you've addressed RoF Gohan vs Piccolo issues as well as where the Buu Saga powers end up. You have to go 100 steps forward to complete 1 step.
It's such a pain.
And that Kaioshin thing was a nightmare, I think I'm comfortable with this. There's no way the adults are 10x the kids.
Toriyama clearly changes certain ideas from the Budokai into Babidi's ship, so this seems to be a good way to handle things.
Kaioshin considers Babidi a real threat, Piccolo walks through him like nothing.
I doubt I'll ever even power scale Super, but I'd like to set myself up to be able to do it. Or perhaps someone can continue my work one day.
The Fusion stuff is going to be difficult, the big question is whether or not to give fusions the same boosts as everyone else. Logic would dictate yes, otherwise, Vegetto using Kkx10 against Buuhan would have been more logical.
But that's an issue I'm not ready to cover yet.
Now with the new Budokai Retcon logic, I have to take some time to figure out how to do the Super Saiyan 2 Boost.
I think 4x is probably still going to be the right number. Super Saiyan 3 might be 10x. And if you are going 4x for Super Saiyan 2, it feels like why not make it a clean 5x?
I feel like 3x for SSj2 works good as well.
Perhaps and 8x SSj3 boost would work too? Essentially just doubling the SEG numbers?
