Piccolo vs Vegeta - a side by side comparison

[freezamite]

>>> - way stronger
>> - considerably stronger
> - just stronger/ distant rivals
>= - slightly stronger/ close rivals

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Saiyajin Saga

Vegeta >>> Piccolo

Freeza Saga part 1 (post Nail Piccolo, pre Zenkai Vegeta)

Piccolo >>> Vegeta

Freeza Saga part 2 (post Zenkai Vegeta)

Vegeta >>> Piccolo

Trunks' Arrival

Vegeta >= Piccolo

Androids saga (pre RoSaT/pre Kami)

Vegeta >> Piccolo

Androids saga (post Kami Piccolo)

Piccolo >>> Vegeta

Cell Games

Vegeta > Piccolo

Boo Saga

Vegeta >>> Piccolo




Does it sound right?

It depends on where the limit between considerably stronger and way stronger is. For example, If androids saga SSJ Vegeta was "considerably stronger" than Piccolo, Kami Piccolo shouldn't be >>> strong compared to SSJ Vegeta. He was stronger, but SSJ Vegeta at 18 levels of powers and the fact that despite 17 was stronger (and Piccolo a tad stronger than him) both 17 and 18 were always considered to be reasonably close, makes me think that the difference is a bit too big for that.

 

[Victorious]

A 1.5x gap for me warrants a >>> ranking. Its one shot territory..and the stronger fighter should be able to at least reasonably tank the weaker one. Regarding the Android saga. I feel Piccolo is closer to SSJ Vegeta than SSJ Vegeta is to Kamiccolo.

 

[ahill1]

Ditto. I also feel the gap between androids saga Piccolo and SSJ Vegeta is smaller than SSJ Vegeta and Kamiccolo. I'd have Kamiccolo at least 1.5x Vegeta.

The Trunks' Saga is probably the closer they ever were, with Cell Games coming as second. I feel Cell Games Piccolo is to Cell Games Vegeta like androids saga Trunks was to androids saga Vegeta.

 

[freezamite]

A 1.5x gap for me warrants a >>> ranking. Its one shot territory..and the stronger fighter should be able to at least reasonably tank the weaker one. Regarding the Android saga. I feel Piccolo is closer to SSJ Vegeta than SSJ Vegeta is to Kamiccolo.

I have Piccolo at SSJ Trunks levels of powers, and Vegeta was stronger enough to one-hit ko him (maybe a 15-20% difference in favour of Vegeta). I don't think Kamiccolo was that strong compared to Vegeta, otherwise he would've been able to easily defeat 18 and while stronger, the difference between 17 and 18 wasn't implied to be as big as that.

 

[Victorious]

SSJ Vegeta could not even one shot Android #19 post. So he's definitely not one shotting SSJ Future Trunks. If you have Piccolo at the same level as Future Trunks SSJ Vegeta is not one shotting him either.

 

[p123]

One shot doesn't mean much. A lot of has to do with if the fighter is off guard or not. Also, nothing about Goku vs Ginyu Force differs from 19 vs Vegeta.

 

[freezamite]

SSJ Vegeta could not even one shot Android #19 post. So he's definitely not one shotting SSJ Future Trunks. If you have Piccolo at the same level as Future Trunks SSJ Vegeta is not one shotting him either.

SSJ Vegeta didn't want to kill #19 until after checking how the process of absorbing energy worked, but if he had wanted to one shot him, he could've done it.
Regarding the level of SSJ Trunks, look at the fight against Androids 17 and 18. I don't know how much strength he lost because of 17's hit on his back, but I doubt it's comparable to the strength Vegeta lost while fighting 18 and having his arm broken.
And even in those conditions, he loses his consciousness far before Vegeta and in an attack where both him and Vegeta receive a comparable amount of damage.
Vegeta was a good deal stronger than Trunks/Piccolo.

 

[Victorious]

SSJ2 Kid Gohan barely 2 shotted FP PC. Considering how much more impressive Gohan's tank on Cell was than Vegeta's tank on 19 post was...and considering Vegeta actually DID NOT one or two shot 19 post. Theres no reason to believe Vegeta could IMO. Also I dont think Super Vegeta can one shot FP Semi Cell. And that gao should be roughly the same. Grade 2 Trunks would have if that was the case..since he was terrified of Cell reaching his Perfect form. Trunks aint holdin back.

 

[p123]

I'm ok with that. But, one shot gap aren't consistent.

Are you telling me that Goku vs Mummy/Akkuman/General Blue are larger gaps than Gohan/Cell or Vegeta/19?

 

[Victorious]

Can Super Vegeta one shot FP Semi Cell? I dont think so....If Future Trunks could he would..And Trunks is Vegeta's rival. Considering Vegeta's tank on 19 was essentially identical to his tank on Semi Cell. This is strong evidence Vegeta cant one or two shot 19 post. And is definitely a smaller gap than Goku vs Recoome.

 

[Victorious]

Also how the fuck is Kamiccolo not 1.5x SSJ Vegeta? Kamiccolo > weighted Kamiccolo >> 1st form Cell (pre humans >> SSJ Vegeta. Kamiccolo would dismantle Vegeta.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Trunks never actually hit Semi Perfect Cell, as Vegeta stopped him before he could.

 

[p123]

Agreed, the issue Vic is making it work numerically. The numbers get real tight.

Also, do you agree that Reecome is probably 60% of Goku, not 66?

 

[Victorious]

Trunks hitting Semi Cell is all filler? Damn i didnt know that. Id have to read the chapter. Anyway...yeah P i think Recoome is roughly 60% of Goku. 85,000 >> Goku vs Ginyus > 60,000 >>> Recoome >> 30,000 = Vegeta.

 

[freezamite]

SSJ2 Kid Gohan barely 2 shotted FP PC. Considering how much more impressive Gohan's tank on Cell was than Vegeta's tank on 19 post was...and considering Vegeta actually DID NOT one or two shot 19 post. Theres no reason to believe Vegeta could IMO. Also I dont think Super Vegeta can one shot FP Semi Cell. And that gao should be roughly the same. Grade 2 Trunks would have if that was the case..since he was terrified of Cell reaching his Perfect form. Trunks aint holdin back.

I don't know how you judge those "tanks" as one being more impressive than the other one, but Vegeta didn't want to kill 19 until after checking how they absorbed the energy. Furthermore, he was clearly playing with the android the whole time (he is clearly beating it without putting any effort, while Gohan was more serious against PC).
And Gohan, while more serious than Vegeta against 19 also didn't want to finish Cell ASAP, he wanted to torture him, so it's not a situation where you can directly compare power gaps. It's like Raditz when he fought Goku and Piccolo, he didn't one-shot them on purpose (he himself said that) so one can't say that a 3x gap is not enough to one-hit kill someone.

 

[Victorious]

19 made Vegeta's whole body snap back.and also Vegeta lost his footing a little bit..and 19 drew blood from Vegeta. Gohans tank on FP PC his head bent back but he didnt lose any footing not to mention no blood was drawn. Gohan's tank is easily more impressive so his gap on Cell is bigger than Vegeta's on 19 post. There is no evidence at all Vegeta can one or two shot 19 post.

 

[Victorious]

Tank feats strongly suggest that initial Semi Cell's gap on Android #16 or Warming Up Perfect Cell's gap on Super Vegeta is bigger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan's gap Full Power Perfect Cell.. Which in turn is a bigger gap than SSJ Vegeta had on Android #19 post or Super Vegeta had on Full Power Semi Cell.

 

[freezamite]

19 made Vegeta's whole body snap back.and also Vegeta lost his footing a little bit..and 19 drew blood from Vegeta. Gohans tank on FP PC his head bent back but he didnt lose any footing not to mention no blood was drawn. Gohan's tank is easily more impressive so his gap on Cell is bigger than Vegeta's on 19 post. There is no evidence at all Vegeta can one or two shot 19 post.

True what you say about the tanking (I remembered blood in Gohan's mouth after Cell's punch as well, but after checking he already had that blood from his previous beating), but the difference here is that Gohan was going all out in terms of Ki (he wanted to torture Cell, but he wasn't hiding his strength, and in fact he put an effort behind his punches) while Vegeta, on the other hand, wasn't (he didn't go all out until after 18 went all out against him).
Remember that Vegeta had been observing the fight between 19 and Goku, so he knew how strong the android was.

Regarding the evidence of Vegeta being able to one shot 19, we have it. 19 post-absorption was above ill SSJ Goku post-kamehame, but not by a huge margin (Goku could still dodge some hits and connect hits from himself):
http://mangalife.us/read-online/Dragon-Ball-chapter-148-index-2-page-1.html

And that Goku was already much weaker than himself before firing the KameHame (not because of the Kamehame, but because the illness was constantly weakening him), who was already much below the level of a SSJ:
http://mangalife.us/read-online/Dragon-Ball-chapter-147-index-2-page-9.html

On the other hand, this is Trunks & (weakened) Vegeta against 18:
http://mangalife.us/read-online/Dragon-Ball-chapter-160-index-2-page-8.html

If you look at it, Trunks loses his consciousness even before Vegeta, and that Vegeta had already lost "a lot" (in DB terms that could be between 10-15 of his power) of energy in his fight against 18.

So, we have:
SSJ Vegeta >> SSJ Trunks >> ill SSJ Goku (from when Piccolo describes him as "weak") > 19 post-absorption > ill SSJ Goku post Kame-Hame

And we know the difference between Vegeta and Trunks was big, because SSJ Vegeta had (in his peak) a power comparable to Android 18. So if she almost one-shotted him, Vegeta could've done the same if serious about it, and post-KHH #19 was much, much weaker than that.

 

[Victorious]

What the fuck does any of the Vegeta vs #18 fight have to do with Vegeta vs #19 post? I dont think #18 can one or two shot SSJ Vegeta nor do i think SSJ Vegeta can one or two shot Android #19 post. The rest of ur post is pure asspull conjecture that makes no sense. None of the Goku vs 19 fight means anything in terms of Vegeta's being able to one shot 19 post.

 

[Victorious]

So, we have:
SSJ Vegeta >> SSJ Trunks >> ill SSJ Goku (from when Piccolo describes him as "weak") > 19 post-aabsorption

I dont agree with any of this chain. First off Future Trunks was lumped in with Vegeta on two occasions. Once by Tenshinhan and another by Kami..So Vegeta is stronger but not all that much stronger. A 10% difference is enough. Secondly I think #19 post that SSJ Vegeta tanked is stronger than initial Sick SSJ Goku..much less post Kamehameha sick SSJ Goku.