Raditz Saga Discussion

[p123]

Farmer
~ 5

Muten Roshi
~ 1,000

Chaozu
~ 20,000

Yamcha
~ 40,000

Kuririn
~ 45,000

Mr. Popo
~ 50,000

Tenshinhan
~ 75,000

Kami-Sama
~ 100,000

Son Goku
~ w/ weights 400,000
~ w/o weights 800,000
~ Kamehameha 1,200,000

Raditz
~ Initial 1,000,000
~ Powered Up 1,250,000
~ Full Power 1,500,000

Piccolo
~ w/ weights 400,000
~ Ki Blast 500,000
~ w/o weights 800,000
~ Special Beam Cannon 1,800,000

Son Gohan
~ Full Power (Cannot Access) 200,000
~ Enraged 750,000
~ Enraged Further 1,750,000
~ Great Ape 2,000,000

Lord Enma
~ 3,000,000

Kaio-Sama
~ 4,000,000








The weighted boost AT gives is too small. If you look at how easily Raditz tanks Piccolo's blast upon meeting him it's clear that the blast has been tanked in a Broly level way. I can't reasonably make the blast more than 50% of Raditz, hell he could even be stronger than that.

Yet Goku and Piccolo think they have at least somewhat of a chance against Raditz after removing their weights. They are then shocked by how much power Raditz shows, noting that Raditz has powered up and notice how Raditz thought he needed to use more effort suggest that Unweighted Goku/Piccolo were getting somewhat close to Raditz's previous level.

 

[p123]

Piccolo's blast is easily tanked. Raditz should be at least 2x the blast imo.

Piccolo thinks that him and Goku's full power might just be enough to take out Raditz Initial Power.

Roshi says "Heck they may even win the darn thing"

As Piccolo removes the weights, Goku comments on him training hard and says "This is going to be a fight!"


Raditz Initial ~ Goku/Piccolo Combined > Goku/Piccolo Individually Unweighted >> Piccolo's Blast > Piccolo/Goku Unweighted


Damn, I've just disproven the original scouter levels completely. Wow.

 

[p123]

Raditz mocks their unweighted power and judging by the look on their faces, they clearly don't have anymore power stored in them.

 

[KyuubiAhri]

Who are you talking to?

 

[p123]

Whoever will listen.

 

[KyuubiAhri]

Heck,some parts of DB never make any sense

 

[Animelover5487]

Popo > Tenshinhan. Kami doesn't say that him or Popo has been surpassed until after the training. I also doubt Ten managed to close the enormous gap that was between them during the 23rd Budokai.

 

[p123]

I thought that too originally. Nothing suggests if Popo is surpassed or not. It's definitely possible considering how close Tien is already to Popo's power at the 23rd Budokai.

I doubt anyone surpassed Kami, so I have Tien well below Kami. But I think in 5 years, Tien can absolutely surpass Popo for sure.

Remember, the gains Goku and Piccolo made were tremendous. Their Weighted Power is at least on power with their previous power, most likely a bit higher and their unweighted power is double that.

 

[Victorious]

Where do u put Mr. Satan? He should like two shot the farmer right?

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Damn, I've just disproven the original scouter levels completely. Wow.

Wanna bet i can make a scouter list?

 

[p123]

You can't make a factual scouter list. You will be stretching the truth making all sorts of "compromises", nonsense. But sure, go ahead and try, I'll be here to shit on it when you are done.

 

[Void]

If you can't make the scouter numbers work that just means you suck at what you're doing.

 

[p123]

No it means you don't know anything. Scouter numbers need to be discarded, if you have any sense that is.

A 1.33x boost for removing the weights simply does not cut it according to the feats and statements of the manga.

 

[Void]

Lmao

"The numbers don't fit my views, so I'm going to discard them because I can't make them work."

What a lame cop-out, get good, boy.

 

[p123]

My views are simply superior. You are not dealing with your average fan boy here, you are dealing with the greatest of all time. If you care to see why, play the game, ask the right questions and learn, or sit your ass down jabroni.

 

[Void]

My views are simply superior. You are not dealing with your average fan boy here, you are dealing with the greatest of all time. If you care to see why, play the game, ask the right questions and learn, or sit your ass down jabroni.

If you were as good as you say you are, you would be able to make PL lists using the scouter numbers, clearly you can't do that. Therefore, you are not very good at this.

:bitch

 

[p123]

Ha. You've got it wrong, I've gotten so good I can't use the scouter list anymore, they are beneath me. The scouter numbers are just factually incorrect.

 

[Void]

Ha. You've got it wrong, I've gotten so good I can't use the scouter list anymore, they are beneath me. The scouter numbers are just factually incorrect.

Come on, man. I see you're copping out again because simply can't make the numbers bend to your views. How lame, I expected better. This is KidBuu55 level trash, are you going to next tell me that Kid Boo > Gohan-Boo?

Come talk to me when you git gud

 

[p123]

Ha whatever, you are not on my level and cannot understand my plight.

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

Two questions.

First, how do the weighted clothing divisors stack up to the ones in the 23rd Budokai? Second, can these divisors be used for all weighted clothing in the series or does it change every time it's used?