Recent Chapter Discussion

[Papasmurf]

Tbh Toyotaro has limits to how creative he can be when AT seems to control 80-90% of the story beats and he just expands on little details from there according to the V-Jump editor

 

[SIAD]

Bardock defeated Gas Transform leaving him momentarily blind?

If so, could we say that the power levels were like this?

Gas = 4,500
(Transformed) = 6,300

Bardock = 5,000

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

At this point, considering the universal busting level Goku and Vegeta are to be, having someone who's a threat purely on a physical level just doesn't work anymore. The scales are just off the chart. An arc may be bad, but that doesn't mean it has to be boring. Villains like Boo and Moro worked in this way; they used unique abilities and magic to make the fights more interesting.

Moro is the worst example. He was a threat purely on a physical level.

This is also true with a character like Superman, for example. For all the talk of being invisible, people that can use magic are capable of fucking him up.

Superman's not applicable to Dragon Ball in the slightest, boss. Supes usually fights people as strong as he is or stronger. He will also have stories that don't involve punching other people like a monkey, all in all there's more variety with what Superman does than anything in Dragon Ball.

I'd call this the biggest issue with Jiren and now Granolah/Gas. Its all just them being brutes, and as a result, we see very little variety from chapter to chapter. Gas v Granolah is not much different compared to UE Vegeta v Gas or UI Galu v Gas. If Super is going to be badly written, I'd rather it be like Boo or Moro and just go balls to the walls silly and strange.

There was an attempt to spice up Granolah's move set with Naruto Jutsus lmao.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

At this point I'm just waiting for them to talk about Bardock story.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Moro is the worst example. He was a threat purely on a physical level.

Superman's not applicable to Dragon Ball in the slightest, boss. Supes usually fights people as strong as he is or stronger. He will also have stories that don't involve punching other people like a monkey, all in all there's more variety with what Superman does than anything in Dragon Ball.

There was an attempt to spice up Granolah's move set with Naruto Jutsus lmao.

1. Hold up, and let me walk some of that first part back and now I've gone and embarrassed myself because it sounds like I was defending Moro. I said Boo and Moro "worked" but that was just lazy on my part. The two aren't even comparable in terms of quality. Just the disjointed mess of a story throwing twists and supernatural/magical changes like transformations at the reader in an "everything but the kitchen sink" strategy. Moro certainly doesn't work, but I was trying to point out the level of engagement in this thread. At least everyone was laughing. No one is laughing now. Its sort of like a dead, awkward silence in this thread for Granolah. Moro worked better at keeping our interest, much like a dumb cartoon in front of a child.

2) No, Superman isn't applicable at all. An alien born on another planet who's parents send him to earth as a child who grows up to be its defender because of his unique strength, while the first threat he faces upon finding out his heritage are the last remaining people from his home world. Lol the first arc of Dragon Ball Z is literally Superman II. And of course Dragon Ball would never, ever, EVER, have its main protagonist have a side story about himself and a monkey where he doesn't even throw a punch.

Spoiler

 

[Ultimate Cell]

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[GreatSaiyaman123]

Moro is the worst example. He was a threat purely on a physical level.

He literally drained their powers away and dragged them down to his level.

For all the talk of being invisible

I don’t think any of these characters has the ability to become invisible…

 

[Southern Gothic]

I don’t think any of these characters has the ability to become invisible…

Someone doesn’t remember the Tournament of Power.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

He literally drained their powers away and dragged them down to his level.

Moro literally gave up on that stuff and started fighting them physically. He started out as a magical user and regressed until he became a bog-standard fighter, which is standard Toyo really.

 

[SSJ2]

That was the most disappointing aspect of Moro for me. He was hyped up as being this invincible magician whose powers required Dai Kaioshin to seal them away. While his technique of draining energy was OP as fuck, it seemed like there was little more to his abilities than that. There were so many opportunities for Toyo and AT to get creative and they chose not to.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

It really wasn’t magic as much as just one very specific Ki power. He even had those weird Ki waves he’d pull from the ground and say it was the planet’s essence or some shit. Even Babidi was cooler than that.

 

[Southern Gothic]

There’s some debate online right now about what Bardock’s aura means in the last chapter, leading some to speculate he’s using False SSJ. This is what the Granola hype has devolved too.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

It really wasn’t magic as much as just one very specific Ki power. He even had those weird Ki waves he’d pull from the ground and say it was the planet’s essence or some shit. Even Babidi was cooler than that.

Magic and Ki are both so poorly defined that they are almost one and the same thing.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

There’s some debate online right now about what Bardock’s aura means in the last chapter, leading some to speculate he’s using False SSJ. This is what the Granola hype has devolved too.

Moro and Granolah have nuked DB discourse, love to see it

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Magic and Ki are both so poorly defined that they are almost one and the same thing.

Ki has been pretty well defined since the beginnings of Dragon Ball. It’s life energy that they manipulate to do the stuff they do.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Ki has been pretty well defined since the beginnings of Dragon Ball. It’s life energy that they manipulate to do the stuff they do.

Ki got defined as that by Buu saga

 

[SIAD]

I would like to see something like the entire Universe 7 being destroyed due to very random Gas attacks.

DBS characters far outnumber Universal Destroyers. The tension of the plot is missed.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Ki got defined as that by Buu saga

It literally means spirit.

This does give me a interesting idea for a thread about how the original series defined Ki tbh, but that’s for another day.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

It literally means spirit.

This does give me a interesting idea for a thread about how the original series defined Ki tbh, but that’s for another day.

Magic can go by almost every name, skill, the one power, etc, whatever.

In the DB series magic isn't defined at all, neither was Ki until the Buu arc. Toriyama put that little thought into it all. There'e even statements from some guide books about Dabura's ability being a merging of magic and Ki, whatever the fuck that means.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Early Spoiler Sketches. Granola tries to go after Elec and Gas breaks Granolah's arm.

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