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CroMagnumDVH said:
UltimateGohkan said:
They were fucking relief that Hax Gainz 17 stopped the Cell Junior from fighting with his ranger badge.They aren't near SS Buu Saga Gohan ,he would have one shot them. A cell junior was near equals with Cell Saga SS Vegeta, who was only barely stronger than 50% Cell Saga Goku. SS Gohan could one shot them, SS2 or not.

Wat. Cell Juniors are equal to Cell who fought Gohan as stated by Daizenshuu, which is supported in Dragon Ball Kai. Logically the Cell juniors are supposed to have gotten stronger by getting a Zenkai if they regenerated from their cells just like Semi Perfect Cell did. And The Kids were 2v7 them

Also, Cell Games Goku > Post ROSAT Goku >=< Post twice ROSAT Vegeta > 50% Post ROSAT Goku

Goku got stronger during the little time he had between Cell Games and Post ROSAT

I'm gonna need the Diaz entry where it specifically states that Cell Jr's are equal to the cell that fought Gohan. Also Void's post states that in the manga, the cell juniors are as strong as they were back then.
 

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UltimateGohkan said:
I'm gonna need the Diaz entry where it specifically states that Cell Jr's are equal to the cell that fought Gohan. Also Void's post states that in the manga, the cell juniors are as strong as they were back then.

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Birthing Cell Juniors
First Appearance: Chapter 406
Category: ability
People: Cell
Special Characteristics: This is a technique where Cell, after reaching his perfect form, creates children with the same abilities as him from out of his tail that he has to absorb life energy. Cell can freely control the number of children created. Each of the children then has roughly the same amount of power and speed as Cell. This special ability could be said to be a developed version the Namekian Piccolo’s ability to create offspring. (Daizenshuu 2, p.214)

As for being equal, that's why I said "logical" to justify my claim. It wouldn't make sense for them not to get stronger than before anyways, since that would be contradictory to what the Cell Saga and Buu Saga has conveyed for us
 

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CroMagnumDVH said:
Birthing Cell Juniors
Each of the children then has roughly the same amount of power and speed as Cell
That doesn't necessarily prove it to be referring to the highest level he displayed at that point. By that logic, we should use a similar statement to prove Dabura ~ SPC despite all feats pointing to a different conclusion. Vegeta and Trunks (and to a lesser extent, Piccolo) being able to hold their own even after Cell gave the order to kill isn't something that would happen if each one was on par with their dad.

As for being equal, that's why I said "logical" to justify my claim. It wouldn't make sense for them not to get stronger than before anyways, since that would be contradictory to what the Cell Saga and Buu Saga has conveyed for us
They may have taken time to regrow to their full strength and wouldn't be in a situation where they absolutely needed to gain Zenkais. Even if assuming they were, it may be their father's broken skillset wasn't fully inherited, considering we never see them use any of his techniques outside of the anime.
 

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Maybe the Cell Juniors' strength is completely reliant on the strength of Cell when he spawned them.
 

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That doesn't necessarily prove it to be referring to the highest level he displayed at that point. By that logic, we should use a similar statement to prove Dabura ~ SPC despite all feats pointing to a different conclusion.

It's very clear cut on the matter. It says that Birthing Cell Juniors makes each single Cell Junior equivalent to Cell himself. It would mean these Cell Juniors are equivalent to the Cell who slapped Gohan around. Cell powered up to full power as soon as he saw Gohan destroying the Cell Juniors, yet that wouldn't be a good material to judge Gohan's power if they were Vegeta's level, since even Goku who Cell didn't even get serious much with him is beyond even Grade 3 Cell. The fact that Cell powered up to full power after seeing Gohan one shotting the Cell Juniors means that they were no easy business.

Daizenshuu 2 says they're equal to Vegeta and Trunks, but Daizenshuu 7 says they're equal to Cell himself. Since Daizenshuu 2 is contradicted while Daizenshuu 7 isn't, this automatically means that this statement holds firm. Vegeta's final flash failed to do shit to a Cell Junior in Dragon Ball Kai, yet his normal power is supposedly stronger than 50% Goku post ROSAT. To say that these Cell Juniors aren't equal to Cell himself who slapped Gohan would be just disregarding Daizenshuu's uncontradicted statement.

Dabura is equal, if not far stronger with Magic than, Cell. I'm not sure what's wrong with using that statement. Clearly every guide says Cell is equal to Dabura, Gou supports it, and Feats also do as well. Feats point towards Dabura (with magic) > Dabura (normal) = Super Perfect Cell.

Vegeta and Trunks (and to a lesser extent, Piccolo) being able to hold their own even after Cell gave the order to kill isn't something that would happen if each one was on par with their dad.

They were actually playing around. He gave them permission to kill, but that doesn't shut down their morals. Cell even tells them to stop fooling around to push Gohan, and yes they were because rather than killing them, they were dragging things out such as kicking Yamcha for giggles, and slapping Goku around for no ultimate reason:



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A character holding his own against someone who's astronomically above them is something that isn't new at all in Dragon Ball and shouldn't be used as a reference to suggest something in a debate unless there's an intended context behind it.

They may have taken time to regrow to their full strength and wouldn't be in a situation where they absolutely needed to gain Zenkais. Even if assuming they were, it may be their father's broken skillset wasn't fully inherited, considering we never see them use any of his techniques outside of the anime.

That's not how Zenkais happen. Just because they took their time, doesn't mean they won't receive a Zenkai. They were in almost same situation as Cell since they were mostly vaporized. Also Zenkai isn't a technique or a skill. It's a natural ability inherited. Cell has them, and these are his children. This is his way of having childre, and to say they don't have his natural abilities would be outright headcanon and illogical at that
 

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Void said:
Maybe the Cell Juniors' strength is completely reliant on the strength of Cell when he spawned them.

Makes sense with why Cell went Full Power just by witnessing Gohan stomping the Cell juniors, but that wouldn't be necessary if they were at Vegeta's plate of strength since he's fodder to even a Cell who's toying around with Goku
 

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Were not actually shown by the author that the Cell Juniors have the same abilities as Cell.

Zenkais aside, I really don't see how the Juniors couldn't have gotten stronger if they've just been living on the island. No.17 gets stronger just living there.
 

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Void said:
Were not actually shown by the author that the Cell Juniors have the same abilities as Cell.

Zenkais aside, I really don't see how the Juniors couldn't have gotten stronger if they've just been living on the island. No.17 gets stronger just living there.

I can see that happening too. Cell Juniors not getting stronger, in general, is weird to me and to what happened in the show. As for abilities, what abilities are being referred to, that would've helped them in a fight?
 

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Do they even use ki blasts in the manga? Pretty sure they only do melee attacks. Regardless, I personally would assume they've inherited Cell's abilities, but it's just not something we're ever ahown.
 

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Void said:
Do they even use ki blasts in the manga? Pretty sure they only do melee attacks. Regardless, I personally would assume they've inherited Cell's abilities, but it's just not something we're ever ahown.

From what I recall, I don't think so, but it just supports my interpretation of the situation even further kek. Assuming that is the most correct thing to do, since they're Cell's children, and therefore it's natural they would do so, until shown otherwise
 

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Void said:
Do they even use ki blasts in the manga? Pretty sure they only do melee attacks. Regardless, I personally would assume they've inherited Cell's abilities, but it's just not something we're ever ahown.

They can probably use ki attacks since they can fly and produce auras, but yeah they're only ever seen fighting hand to hand :giraffe :giraffe
 

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Chapter 38 leaks

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So Kefla is in the manga, and she's going to fight Gohan. :troll
 

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Too bad that based on that page, Gohan will only be stepping up to the fight on the last page of the chapter. Still infinitely more interesting than making Kefla just a measuring stick for UI Galu.
 

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Gohan looks confident and composed... let's see what comes of it.
 

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Apparently Kale also trashes Anilaza in this chapter on top of the Pride Troopers.
 

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So they're saving UI and Jiren at the last moment? Seems to me that it's too early to introduce Kefla right now but I guess the sooner she's gone the better. Also it seems like Gohan has that serious look and confident, I hope he puts a good fight.
 

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It looks like SSJ Kefla is going to be nerfed compared to the anime, especially if Gohan manages to give her a good fight.
 
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