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Odion from YGO? He gets decapitated before he can even draw a card, unless this is them facing off in a children's card game.
 

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You cant be serious lol! You are severely underestimating Odion.
 

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GreatSaiyaman123 said:
How would've you written the SW Sequels to be? Or would you prefer them to not exist at all?
Already made a thread on this: http://www.dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=15149

If given the choice, I'd just make a live action version of the Thrawn trilogy, but if forced to do something with the ideas of the sequels, that thread has a few of the changes I'd make.
 

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I didn't really have time to play any new games of that year, so I guess FighterZ wins by default of being the only one I did.

From what I saw of them, however, God of War 4 or Monster Hunter: World would probably take the spot if I had the time for them.
 

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You definitely should play it. And avoid spoilers! :CC

Also, what are your thoughts on Spider-Man as a character?
 

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Purely depends on the continuity, really.

As far as his original run in the 1962-1973 comics, as well as to some extent his portrayal in the first two Sam Raimi films and the 90s cartoon, Spider-Man is easily one of the most relatable characters in fiction, nevermind Marvel. His story being in many ways a coming of age tale with how him adjusting to his powers and of course the mantra of "With great power comes great responsibility" can truly resonate with any teenager going through the struggles of puberty and those of young adults who have to learn to be responsible for themselves as they move into adulthood. He deals with some very real problems, ranging from typical teenage issues such as romantic pursuits to harder struggles such as him trying to prevent Harry's drug addiction at one point in the comics, and of course the guilt he had in being vicariously responsible for Uncle Ben's death.
Viewing him within the vacuum of his time of creation, he could even be seen as revolutionary. Up until then, the teenage superhero was always the sidekick, whereas Spider-Man being the lead helped further his responsibilities whenever he made understandable mistakes and him being one of the weaker Marvel heroes always allowed for his stories to feel more grounded when it came to the stakes of him facing a strong enemy. Though the idea of a teenage protagonist trying to balance between his family/social life and fighting crime whilst protecting those he loves is something that's become commonplace nowadays, very few characters do this anywhere near as good as Spider-Man.

Comic-wise, unfortunately he stopped getting character development after Gwen Stacey's death and everything afterwards was just gimmicky. The Black Symbiote events in the comics, 90s cartoon and Spider-Man 3 came close, but overall acted more like a temporary character rewrite, and the biggest change he'd have in the comics from thereon was when he reveals his identity that leads to Aunt May's death and him divorcing Mary Jane...only for the continuity to reset and undo all his development.

Giving him a rating like I usually do would be difficult due to the many continuities and varying quality of events within them. If I were to be a bit biased and offer a composite rating for his self from the 62-73 comic run, 90s cartoon and the films Spider-Man 1 and 2, he'd be a definite 9/10.

As for the versions of him I'm less keen on, Andrew Garfield Spider-Man is pretty forgettable and barely worth mentioning. The various other cartoon and tv versions range from purely cheesy to mediocre. As for his MCU self, I don't really like the directions taken in his character. He was OK in Civil War, though his role in Homecoming made him too reliant on Stark's tech and focusing too much on things that were a lot closer to first world problems than that of a version of him such as say, from the Sam Raimi trilogy.
 

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As a whole, a pretty bland character. The idea of him struggling between his identities is nice and a good tribute to Jekyll and Hyde, but the trope has been done a lot better with other fictional characters (Smeagol/Gollum in The Lord of the Rings, Gemini Saga in Saint Seiya, etc.) and is in itself just a less advanced version of general moral conflict. The personalities of his individual sides don't have too much to allow them to stand out as individuals, with Bruce Banner being a typical science nerd whilst Hulk's personality boils down to "Hulk Smash". Some stand alone works such as Planet Hulk succeed in making Hulk more interesting, as does the MCU with things such as the romantic feelings between he and Black Widow, but not by enough to really make either side of his personality more interesting as a character.

Pretty average character, with a lot of Banner/Hulk's better storylines and moments coming as a result of his interactions with other characters. 5/10.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
As a whole, a pretty bland character. The idea of him struggling between his identities is nice and a good tribute to Jekyll and Hyde, but the trope has been done a lot better with other fictional characters (Smeagol/Gollum in The Lord of the Rings, Gemini Saga in Saint Seiya, etc.) and is in itself just a less advanced version of general moral conflict. The personalities of his individual sides don't have too much to allow them to stand out as individuals, with Bruce Banner being a typical science nerd whilst Hulk's personality boils down to "Hulk Smash". Some stand alone works such as Planet Hulk succeed in making Hulk more interesting, as does the MCU with things such as the romantic feelings between he and Black Widow, but not by enough to really make either side of his personality more interesting as a character.

Pretty average character, with a lot of Banner/Hulk's better storylines and moments coming as a result of his interactions with other characters. 5/10.

I disagree. Even Savage Hulk, the most famous of Hulk's personas has depth to his character. He's the anger which Bruce felt when he was abused by his father given form, he wants to be left alone, and he hates humanity due to their fear and resentment of him, despite how he saved them over and over again. However, I do agree with you that savage Hulk is overdone nowadays, all the more interesting Hulk comics don't include him. And if you dislike Savage Hulk, he's only of many personas that the Hulk has. Even Planet Hulk, which you mentioned featured an entirely different Hulk persona.
 

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Hulk is one of the Marvel characters I have less on an in-depth knowledge of when it comes to his original comic storyline, beyond his issues involving his father, so you're probably right there. Still, despite that, his conflict is something that can only go so far without any sort of resolution, making him a character with an interesting premise that struggles to go far beyond it.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Hulk is one of the Marvel characters I have less on an in-depth knowledge of when it comes to his original comic storyline, beyond his issues involving his father, so you're probably right there. Still, despite that, his conflict is something that can only go so far without any sort of resolution, making him a character with an interesting premise that struggles to go far beyond it.

Yeah, I agree, there's never a resolution between Banner and Hulk. Planet Hulk sort of had that, with Banner and Hulk coming to an agreement and becoming the king of Sakaar, though that obviously didn't stick.

I'd say it's a problem which plagues Marvel in general, characters aren't really allowed to change. However, some change has happened between Banner and Hulk recently in the latest run of Hulk. The latest personality of Hulk admits to Banner that he loves him, I hope it sticks for good, and Hulk can move onto new territory for his character.
 

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Would you rather be forced to endure torture for 24 straight hours, or live alone in the arctic for 1 year
with no human contact?
 

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I guess the torture since the likelihood of me being able to survive in the arctic's low temperature without the experience of the Inuits nearby have is extremely low. Assuming I survive both scenarios though, then the arctic.
 

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