Since the bandwagon for this has appeared...

Captain Cadaver

Zeta Elite
Retired Staff
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
27,967
Fair point, though as you said, several of the Tekkamen retained their core character traits fuelled by their memories such as Tekkaman Lance being highly narcissistic or Goddard still being very honourable, so the cherrypicking going on when it comes to controlling their memories is a tad inconsistent. It's indeed a good decision that Shinya eventually broke the conditioning and helped expand that idea that the Radam's mind control can be overcome with enough willpower, though the moments before his death show that the Radam still had some affect on his mind and causes his decisions to be less autonomous than some characters with similar arcs such as say, Raoh after his second fight with Kenshiro.
 

Papasmurf

Zeta Elite
Legend
Member
Joined
May 30, 2015
Messages
30,964
Even resurrecting Raoh as a zombie would've been better than his crappy excuse for a brother Kaioh :alex2
 

Captain Cadaver

Zeta Elite
Retired Staff
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
27,967
Not to mention retconning the idea that Raoh thought Kenshiro was :trash prior to their fight in Mamiya's village just to add a little more motivation to Kenshiro's rematch with Kaioh. :facepalm
 

Captain Cadaver

Zeta Elite
Retired Staff
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
27,967
Ultimate Cell said:
Worst Cliches in movies/anime in your opinion?
Time travel/time resets - More often than not results in problems with the continuity such as paradoxes and/or being used just for cheap plot convenience.
Amnesia - Just a forced way of prolonging events or having a character get back to square one.
Mind Control - More often than not makes a conflict hollow due to the lack of personal motivation for one of the parties. Zombies would also be included as a sub-entry of this category.
Love triangles - Pretty much always just melodramatic bullshit.
Harems - Pretty similar to love triangles, but different enough to warrant its own mention. Just a way to make a self-insert feel powerful by having all the girls wanting his D when in reality, he probably lacks any traits that'd trigger their hypergamy so much.
Chosen One/Destiny - Makes things predetermined and offers no reason to continue the story when the ending's already made apparent.
Forced Diversity - Making a character part of some minority group with it being in a setting where such would be impossible (ie. The BBC Troy series making Achilles black when by all accounts he was a blonde white man) or this trait being the only defining thing about their character (eg. Rey's defining feature in the Star Wars sequels being she's a Mary Sue and we have to RESPECC WAHMEN).
Needless Subversion - Doing something just to shake up the structure will often just weaken a story's narrative, with subversion's use in The Last Jedi and Game of Thrones Season 8 speaking for themselves.

Even these tropes can lead to good executions with proper writing though. Babylon 5 and JoJo Part 4 had tolerable time travel and resets respectively due to the concise way they were used, the limits put on them and how no side could use it entirely for their own convenience. Amnesia was used effectively in the Battle Angel Alita manga and its sequel Last Order to help show that Alita's character isn't entirely bound by her past. Without much spoilers, mind control was used well in the cases of Michael Garibaldi in Babylon 5 and Capricorn Shura in Saint Seiya (if reading Episode G), and I guess you could also cite the corruption of the One Ring in LotR as a good use of mind control (though that's more mind manipulation). Love triangles have a lot of examples that can work somewhat, though to cut a long story short the key is to avoid having the characters acting as dumb teenagers. Harems are harder to do properly, though School Days does a pretty good job at presenting the realistic repercussions of them (despite the rest of the series being poorly written) and I guess you could count Tony's several cumares in The Sopranos too, as well as Evangelion's female cast (and Kaworu) essentially being a deconstruction of harem tropes. The idea of a Chosen One was done OK in the Star Wars prequels due to the true meaning of bringing balance to the Force, with Babylon 5 taking the idea that destined events always have positive and negative outcomes to the extent such a trope was used brilliantly. Even forced diversity has a few rare cases of good use, such as Morgan Freeman being cast as Red in The Shawshank Redemption. Subversion can also be amazing with proper set up for it, such as The Red Wedding from A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones remaining one of the greatest plot twists ever conceived or plenty of the unexpected events in Legend of the Galactic Heroes strengthening the realism of its narrative as a historical account of a space opera, as well as the plot twist at the end of Ashita no Joe's Rikiishi Arc elevating the series to the pinnacle of what a boxing story can be.
Unfortunately, with the half-assed effort most creators tend to take when it comes to executing ideas nowadays, making something good out of a poor trope is set to become far more of a rare art than in past decades.
 

Captain Cadaver

Zeta Elite
Retired Staff
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
27,967
I'm only aware of the 4 movies being canon (though any self-respecting fan will ignore Kingdom of the Crystal Skull), and it seems the tv series The Young Indiana Jones chronicles is canon too. There are about 13 or so novels for the series taking place in between the tv series and Temple of Doom, though their canon status is debatable.
Considering Disney now has ownership rights due to the Lucasfilm purchase and decided to reset what was canon for Star Wars, it could be assumed that anything other than the films and possibly the tv series are now non-canon just like Star Wars' Expanded Universe.
 

Fantastische Hure

Zeta Elite
25k
Joined
Jun 1, 2015
Messages
30,769
Age
29
The TV-Series had involvement but seems like it was an educational-program more than an adventure series.
 

Captain Cadaver

Zeta Elite
Retired Staff
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
27,967
It's not really hated, just treat as the least good of the trilogy, which is true. The more observant viewers will notice it's actually a prequel, thus making the tension in scenes involving Indy pretty void, Willie is by far the least interesting of the main 3 women due to being nothing but a love interest who screams a lot as opposed to Marion being a pretty dynamic deuteragonist in Raiders and Elsa being an intelligent and ambitious side-villain in Last Crusade. Along with that, I wouldn't say the villains have the same impact, since a cult of 1-dimensional fanatics aren't quite as interesting as Nazis lusting after Biblical objects.
Still a decent movie, but definitely the weakest of the original trilogy.
 

Captain Cadaver

Zeta Elite
Retired Staff
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
27,967
Last time I measured myself was about 7-8 years ago and I was about 5'6" then. I think I'm taller than then, though no more so than 5'8".
 

GreatSaiyaman123

Super Elite
Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2017
Messages
14,756
Age
22
Completely throwing away the idea of Androids, Cell and Boo (If you want to), how would you have written Z after the Freeza Saga?


Kenshi said:
I'm taller than you CC. :manabu

You must be a tall guy :manabu
 

Captain Cadaver

Zeta Elite
Retired Staff
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
27,967
Ideally, the series should end at the Freeza Arc and any attempt to continue it should be no more than an epilogue of sorts. Assuming I can't change the Freeza Arc's ending, I'd have Vegeta head out into space after the tension surrounding having him on Earth amongst all the Z-Warriors gets too much and his desire to find Goku acts as the final straw. In doing so, he runs into King Cold, who was on the way to heading for Earth to find the man who killed his son. This is not for revenge, however, but to offer him the role as ruler of the empire. Vegeta says Kakarotto would never accept, but he might take the job if he can get the last remnant of Freeza's legacy out of the way. They fight, but Cold is too strong for him (about equal to the Freeza FP Base Goku fought in this continuity) and takes him prisoner. Vegeta is given no choice but to serve the Cold Empire once again as they head to Earth.

Meanwhile on Earth, Pilaf has created more boxes that block the signal of the Dragon Radar so he can attempt to gather the Dragon Balls again. His desire this time is to use them to go back in time to when he had the Dragon Team imprisoned and kill Goku and Oolong when he had the chance. He manages to perform this successfully, with him going back and using his Pilaf Machine to kill all the group and let his past self get his wish of ruling the world. This continues for many years until Raditz arrives to wipe out all life on Earth, though Pilaf reveals to him the existence of the Dragon Balls and secures his life by saying he's a descendent of the Dragon God and only he can summon Shenron. Raditz lets him live and brings him and the Dragon Balls back to Freeza's main base. The other Pilaf is still alive due to having used the Dragon Balls for eternal youth and in wanting to get on Freeza's good side, reveals he is from an Earth where Raditz never did any known damage and life still goes on as usual. Curious about this, Freeza decides to leave eternal life on the backburner and instead wish to be able to visit Pilaf's timeline with all of his empire, including his father. Here we still have time travel acting as the basis of the arc, but in a far more consistent, less convoluted and less convenient way.

In space, Goku has been tracking Cold for a while after sensing a Ki similar to Freeza's and starts heading towards Earth. As for Freeza's group, he is shocked to learn the Dragon Balls would've scattered and deactivated and, thus, kills the Pilafs out of rage. His timeline's Vegeta reveals he's heard stories about the Namekians' wish granting orbs and chooses to head to Namek once Freeza has dealt with seeing how his empire is. He enters his main base of operations to find his father there with Vegeta at his side, the main timline Cold revealing all that has happened. He then kills the Vegeta of Freeza's timeline, saying having a weaker Vegeta who already held the seeds of rebellion would be a worthless addition and only make things more complicated. Not wishing to be killed again, Freeza transforms into his true form and decides to go to Earth and destroy it from space.
As he's about to do so, however, a blast clashes with it and Freeza had barely enough time to dodge it. Though most of the crew of his ship escaped fine, the blast still had enough power and enough of a direct hit to kill his timeline's Cold and damage the ship. Freeza and Cold then descend to Earth normally, whilst Ginyu pilots the ship.

Down on Earth, Goku is revealed to have fired the Kamehameha. Not knowing how Freeza survived but knowing of the stakes well, Piccolo decides it's finally time to fuse with Kami. As all of Freeza's forces descend to Earth, the Z-Warriors (minus Piccolo) stand to fight them, with Goku challenging Freeza directly. Freeza recognises the look of Bardock and is enraged a Saiyan could kill him. Goku attempts to settle things quickly by going into Super Saiyan, but struggles to do so. The time he spent away from Earth was to better control the form, yet he didn't have the rage he had in the battle against Freeza to activate it at will and has learned that with a boost surpassing that of Kaioken by far, the strain it puts on his heart is overwhelming once he has finished battling. It's then revealed through a flashback that after escaping in Ginyu's pod, the fatigue hit him all at once and he would've died from cardiac arrest had the people of Yardrat not helped him. Instead, he's forced to fight using Kaioken x10, though Freeza quickly goes into 50% and starts trouncing him. In that time, Piccolo fuses with Kami and arrives on the battlefield, though even with his new power and Goku using Kaioken x20, they're only able to keep Freeza from using any more than 70% whilst Goku's stamina eventually begins to drop.
As for the other battles going on, the humans and Gohan easily deal with Freeza's men, Gohan personally killing Dodoria, Zarbon and Cui when remembering what the former did to Dende's village whilst the humans face the Ginyu Tokusentai as in filler, beating them in much the same way. As Cold is prepared to step up to bring a swift end to this, Vegeta strikes him with a surprise attack, saying he'll put an end to the one who let Freeza continue his evil acts in the first place. Fuelled by desperation and Saiyan pride, Vegeta manages to break his limits and match Cold in battle, though the strain is evident on Vegeta. Eventually, the two kill each other in battle. Raditz and Nappa watch on, inspired by their prince's bravery and how even these lowly humans are standing up to Freeza better than they can. They use the opportunity to escape the battle. Meanwhile, Ginyu has yet to make a move, hiding back.

Goku eventually summons enough rage to become a Super Saiyan and before he can allow Freeza to power up, he kills him. Despite this, the battle isn't over as Ginyu uses the body change to steal Goku's body and kills the real Goku, before starting battle against the Z-Warriors - the body of the Super Saiyan Goku who was their defender having become their greatest threat. Though far weaker than SSJ Goku would be, Ginyu's adrenaline and desire to destroy all enemies of Freeza allows him to maintain the form. Knowing what has happened to his father, Gohan snaps and is filled with enough rage to charge forth and fight on par with this Ginyu with Piccolo there to help. Still, they are only able to keep up against such a strong opponent for so long and a fatigued Piccolo sees resorting to the Mafuba as the only option left. In classic Dragon Ball fashion, however, it fails and Piccolo dies, the rage Gohan feels being enough for him to fight on par with Ginyu himself. Eventually, Ginyu's confidence in his abilities starts to waver and his stamina decreases, with a solid punch from an enraged Gohan being enough to revert Goku Ginyu back to base. The pressure it puts on his heart is so much it instantly bursts and Goku's body lies dead.

With the battle over, Raditz and Nappa show up to plead for mercy and say they've been inspired to throw away the past and try and build a new future for the Saiyans on Earth. With them not being a threat anymore, everyone agrees to let Raditz stay, though Ten, Chaozu and Gohan are quite reluctant on Nappa staying until he says he has no idea who they are and Gohan pieces together these two are from an alternate timeline. Kaio then gives them co-ordinates for New Namek and they attempt to revive Goku and Piccolo. Goku, however, can't be revived due to his soul having died in Ginyu's body and due to Ginyu's power, switching them is beyond Porunga's power. They then consider reviving Goku in Ginyu's body, but Goku tells them the same thing he did in the Cell Arc and departs. Despite this loss, everyone returns to Earth.

Five years later, major changes have happened. Piccolo has assumed the position of Earth's Kami, though decides to use his power to actively stop any injustices he sees. Gohan has managed to balance studying and training to continue the path of Goku's successor. Yamcha and Bulma have married and had a child whilst Ten has started the Shin Tsuru Sennin-ryu school and Kuririn the Shin Kame Sennin-ryu school. Raditz and Nappa have adjusted to Earth life, Raditz helping the Son family whilst starting a family of his own and Nappa making a career out of cultivating Saibaimen and bringing them from a race of fodder soldiers to a useful work force for humanity, becoming a celebrity for his "invention".
We then skip to ten years later, in which Gohan has published his book Groundbreaking Science to bring Ki control to the masses. When talking to Kuririn, the human thanks him for having made the Kame school popular enough he can support his family (let's say his wife Lazuli and daughter Marron) before Gohan heads to the Heavenly Realm to see Piccolo. He asks Piccolo if he still hasn't restored the Dragon Balls, to which Piccolo says even if he trained to harness Kami's Dragon Clan abilities, it's better that way as to not incite essentially another Freeza's ambitions, viewing them as a greater danger than a saviour in a parallel of the 23rd TB's ending. Gohan then says he plans to write a new book so they will still exist in the hearts of others, telling him the title will be "The Legend of the Dragon Balls and Son Goku."

We then skip forward 100 years and the Tenkaichi Budokai is taking place. Two young men of the Kame and Tsuru schools face off, one a descendent of the Son family. An aged Piccolo watches from the crowd, remarking how even long after Goku and Gohan have died, their legacy remains strong.
We then skip 1,000 years after Goku's death, in which civilisation has changed so much due to Capsules becoming more advanced and opening up a truly futuristic environment, along with almost everyone being so attuned to Ki that cars are gone completely and everyone uses bukujutsu to travel. In a school, we see a teacher telling the class about Son Goku, now one of the most important historical figures in human history. In a temple, we see a group revering him as God incarnate and that the battle against Freeza was an apocalyptic showdown that ushered in paradise on Earth. In a university, a class debates on how much accuracy should be placed into the accounts written by Gohan due to bias. In a smaller country, we see someone cursing the allies of Son Goku in ruining the world as we see the use of Ki and Saibaimen have lead to far more advanced warfare. We see the many differing perspectives of the Z-Warriors in the public eye long after their deaths.
Finally, we journey into the future a million years later. By this time, humanity has gone through so many changes due to warfare that technology has gone through rises and falls and despite Ki users still being standard, none of humanity has a clear picture of when Ki became a standard for humans and each culture has a different story of who lead them into the age. On a visit to a mountain, a man (let's call him Toriyama) finds a strange device lying between the rocks and presses down on it, a somewhat damaged book being preserved inside, though the cover is damaged, two words are still visible - Dragon Ball.

We then close out with this line by the narrator - "Though ages will come and go, the story and legacy of those bound to the Dragon Balls lives on."
 

Captain Cadaver

Zeta Elite
Retired Staff
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
27,967
Super Saiyan said:
HxH vs Rurouni Kenshin. Which u prefer?
Update on this: I'd probably change my answer to Rurouni Kenshin after refreshing myself on the series. It was far more focused on what it was exploring rather than jumping from one theme to another each arc and despite the lack of major character deaths in the series, it stays fitting with the theme of life's value that Kenshin's arc explores (executing it far better than OP does) which is better than HxH's double standard of treating the setting as one of great risk whilst having such plot armouring aspects as Angel's Breath or Alluka's wishes and what contrivances the Jinchu had are pretty minor in comparison to the ending of Greed Island and the worst of Kenshin is still light years ahead of the Election Arc in quality.
Hunter X Hunter has far more interesting characters, though RK has enough competency in its character writing (especially for Kenshin having one of the best redemption stories in anime/manga) that it still ranks better as a whole. In terms of entertainment, I probably prefer HxH, though Kenshin is objectively superior.
 

GreatSaiyaman123

Super Elite
Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2017
Messages
14,756
Age
22
Captain Cadaver said:
Ideally, the series should end at the Freeza Arc and any attempt to continue it should be no more than an epilogue of sorts. Assuming I can't change the Freeza Arc's ending, I'd have Vegeta head out into space after the tension surrounding having him on Earth amongst all the Z-Warriors gets too much and his desire to find Goku acts as the final straw. In doing so, he runs into King Cold, who was on the way to heading for Earth to find the man who killed his son. This is not for revenge, however, but to offer him the role as ruler of the empire. Vegeta says Kakarotto would never accept, but he might take the job if he can get the last remnant of Freeza's legacy out of the way. They fight, but Cold is too strong for him (about equal to the Freeza FP Base Goku fought in this continuity) and takes him prisoner. Vegeta is given no choice but to serve the Cold Empire once again as they head to Earth.

Meanwhile on Earth, Pilaf has created more boxes that block the signal of the Dragon Radar so he can attempt to gather the Dragon Balls again. His desire this time is to use them to go back in time to when he had the Dragon Team imprisoned and kill Goku and Oolong when he had the chance. He manages to perform this successfully, with him going back and using his Pilaf Machine to kill all the group and let his past self get his wish of ruling the world. This continues for many years until Raditz arrives to wipe out all life on Earth, though Pilaf reveals to him the existence of the Dragon Balls and secures his life by saying he's a descendent of the Dragon God and only he can summon Shenron. Raditz lets him live and brings him and the Dragon Balls back to Freeza's main base. The other Pilaf is still alive due to having used the Dragon Balls for eternal youth and in wanting to get on Freeza's good side, reveals he is from an Earth where Raditz never did any known damage and life still goes on as usual. Curious about this, Freeza decides to leave eternal life on the backburner and instead wish to be able to visit Pilaf's timeline with all of his empire, including his father. Here we still have time travel acting as the basis of the arc, but in a far more consistent, less convoluted and less convenient way.

In space, Goku has been tracking Cold for a while after sensing a Ki similar to Freeza's and starts heading towards Earth. As for Freeza's group, he is shocked to learn the Dragon Balls would've scattered and deactivated and, thus, kills the Pilafs out of rage. His timeline's Vegeta reveals he's heard stories about the Namekians' wish granting orbs and chooses to head to Namek once Freeza has dealt with seeing how his empire is. He enters his main base of operations to find his father there with Vegeta at his side, the main timline Cold revealing all that has happened. He then kills the Vegeta of Freeza's timeline, saying having a weaker Vegeta who already held the seeds of rebellion would be a worthless addition and only make things more complicated. Not wishing to be killed again, Freeza transforms into his true form and decides to go to Earth and destroy it from space.
As he's about to do so, however, a blast clashes with it and Freeza had barely enough time to dodge it. Though most of the crew of his ship escaped fine, the blast still had enough power and enough of a direct hit to kill his timeline's Cold and damage the ship. Freeza and Cold then descend to Earth normally, whilst Ginyu pilots the ship.

Down on Earth, Goku is revealed to have fired the Kamehameha. Not knowing how Freeza survived but knowing of the stakes well, Piccolo decides it's finally time to fuse with Kami. As all of Freeza's forces descend to Earth, the Z-Warriors (minus Piccolo) stand to fight them, with Goku challenging Freeza directly. Freeza recognises the look of Bardock and is enraged a Saiyan could kill him. Goku attempts to settle things quickly by going into Super Saiyan, but struggles to do so. The time he spent away from Earth was to better control the form, yet he didn't have the rage he had in the battle against Freeza to activate it at will and has learned that with a boost surpassing that of Kaioken by far, the strain it puts on his heart is overwhelming once he has finished battling. It's then revealed through a flashback that after escaping in Ginyu's pod, the fatigue hit him all at once and he would've died from cardiac arrest had the people of Yardrat not helped him. Instead, he's forced to fight using Kaioken x10, though Freeza quickly goes into 50% and starts trouncing him. In that time, Piccolo fuses with Kami and arrives on the battlefield, though even with his new power and Goku using Kaioken x20, they're only able to keep Freeza from using any more than 70% whilst Goku's stamina eventually begins to drop.
As for the other battles going on, the humans and Gohan easily deal with Freeza's men, Gohan personally killing Dodoria, Zarbon and Cui when remembering what the former did to Dende's village whilst the humans face the Ginyu Tokusentai as in filler, beating them in much the same way. As Cold is prepared to step up to bring a swift end to this, Vegeta strikes him with a surprise attack, saying he'll put an end to the one who let Freeza continue his evil acts in the first place. Fuelled by desperation and Saiyan pride, Vegeta manages to break his limits and match Cold in battle, though the strain is evident on Vegeta. Eventually, the two kill each other in battle. Raditz and Nappa watch on, inspired by their prince's bravery and how even these lowly humans are standing up to Freeza better than they can. They use the opportunity to escape the battle. Meanwhile, Ginyu has yet to make a move, hiding back.

Goku eventually summons enough rage to become a Super Saiyan and before he can allow Freeza to power up, he kills him. Despite this, the battle isn't over as Ginyu uses the body change to steal Goku's body and kills the real Goku, before starting battle against the Z-Warriors - the body of the Super Saiyan Goku who was their defender having become their greatest threat. Though far weaker than SSJ Goku would be, Ginyu's adrenaline and desire to destroy all enemies of Freeza allows him to maintain the form. Knowing what has happened to his father, Gohan snaps and is filled with enough rage to charge forth and fight on par with this Ginyu with Piccolo there to help. Still, they are only able to keep up against such a strong opponent for so long and a fatigued Piccolo sees resorting to the Mafuba as the only option left. In classic Dragon Ball fashion, however, it fails and Piccolo dies, the rage Gohan feels being enough for him to fight on par with Ginyu himself. Eventually, Ginyu's confidence in his abilities starts to waver and his stamina decreases, with a solid punch from an enraged Gohan being enough to revert Goku Ginyu back to base. The pressure it puts on his heart is so much it instantly bursts and Goku's body lies dead.

With the battle over, Raditz and Nappa show up to plead for mercy and say they've been inspired to throw away the past and try and build a new future for the Saiyans on Earth. With them not being a threat anymore, everyone agrees to let Raditz stay, though Ten, Chaozu and Gohan are quite reluctant on Nappa staying until he says he has no idea who they are and Gohan pieces together these two are from an alternate timeline. Kaio then gives them co-ordinates for New Namek and they attempt to revive Goku and Piccolo. Goku, however, can't be revived due to his soul having died in Ginyu's body and due to Ginyu's power, switching them is beyond Porunga's power. They then consider reviving Goku in Ginyu's body, but Goku tells them the same thing he did in the Cell Arc and departs. Despite this loss, everyone returns to Earth.

Five years later, major changes have happened. Piccolo has assumed the position of Earth's Kami, though decides to use his power to actively stop any injustices he sees. Gohan has managed to balance studying and training to continue the path of Goku's successor. Yamcha and Bulma have married and had a child whilst Ten has started the Shin Tsuru Sennin-ryu school and Kuririn the Shin Kame Sennin-ryu school. Raditz and Nappa have adjusted to Earth life, Raditz helping the Son family whilst starting a family of his own and Nappa making a career out of cultivating Saibaimen and bringing them from a race of fodder soldiers to a useful work force for humanity, becoming a celebrity for his "invention".
We then skip to ten years later, in which Gohan has published his book Groundbreaking Science to bring Ki control to the masses. When talking to Kuririn, the human thanks him for having made the Kame school popular enough he can support his family (let's say his wife Lazuli and daughter Marron) before Gohan heads to the Heavenly Realm to see Piccolo. He asks Piccolo if he still hasn't restored the Dragon Balls, to which Piccolo says even if he trained to harness Kami's Dragon Clan abilities, it's better that way as to not incite essentially another Freeza's ambitions, viewing them as a greater danger than a saviour in a parallel of the 23rd TB's ending. Gohan then says he plans to write a new book so they will still exist in the hearts of others, telling him the title will be "The Legend of the Dragon Balls and Son Goku."

We then skip forward 100 years and the Tenkaichi Budokai is taking place. Two young men of the Kame and Tsuru schools face off, one a descendent of the Son family. An aged Piccolo watches from the crowd, remarking how even long after Goku and Gohan have died, their legacy remains strong.
We then skip 1,000 years after Goku's death, in which civilisation has changed so much due to Capsules becoming more advanced and opening up a truly futuristic environment, along with almost everyone being so attuned to Ki that cars are gone completely and everyone uses bukujutsu to travel. In a school, we see a teacher telling the class about Son Goku, now one of the most important historical figures in human history. In a temple, we see a group revering him as God incarnate and that the battle against Freeza was an apocalyptic showdown that ushered in paradise on Earth. In a university, a class debates on how much accuracy should be placed into the accounts written by Gohan due to bias. In a smaller country, we see someone cursing the allies of Son Goku in ruining the world as we see the use of Ki and Saibaimen have lead to far more advanced warfare. We see the many differing perspectives of the Z-Warriors in the public eye long after their deaths.
Finally, we journey into the future a million years later. By this time, humanity has gone through so many changes due to warfare that technology has gone through rises and falls and despite Ki users still being standard, none of humanity has a clear picture of when Ki became a standard for humans and each culture has a different story of who lead them into the age. On a visit to a mountain, a man (let's call him Toriyama) finds a strange device lying between the rocks and presses down on it, a somewhat damaged book being preserved inside, though the cover is damaged, two words are still visible - Dragon Ball.

We then close out with this line by the narrator - "Though ages will come and go, the story and legacy of those bound to the Dragon Balls lives on."

The Final Arc read a bit like filler, but that’s a nice ending. Better than what Toei could ever pull off by miles.
 

Captain Cadaver

Zeta Elite
Retired Staff
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
27,967
Keedounan said:
Top 5 MCU characters? Same for the movies.
Update for the movie ranking:

#1 - Captain America: Civil War
#2 - Avengers: Infinity War
#3 - Iron Man
#4 - Captain America: The Winter Soldier
#5 - Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2

After re-evaluating them, whilst Infinity War is still my favourite on a personal level due to Thanos' characterisation, the direction taken for Tony, Thor and Vision's character arcs as well as the dialogue between characters meeting each other being excellent (Thor and Quill's interactions being a surprise highlight), Civil War definitely has the most consistent script out of any of the MCU films as Infinity War has a few minor plot holes in its final third (why didn't Thanos spam the reality stone? Why didn't Dr. Strange try to dismember Thanos in the way Wong did Cull Obsidian? etc.) Iron Man also has less problems than The Winter Soldier as whilst the latter has greater highs when it comes to character development for Steve and Natasha, Bucky being evil purely due to mind control makes the climax pretty hollow (even if Iron Man's climax of Obadiah being a 1-dimensional bad guy isn't leagues better).
 

Latest profile posts

LlfudXi.gif
Trump is the rightful democratically elected president of Brazil :trump
Top