Since the bandwagon for this has appeared...

Captain Cadaver

Zeta Elite
Retired Staff
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
27,967
Hisoka's depressed nature in not being able to fight Chrollo is a mixed bag compared to the 2011 version. It does a good job in showing how much the battle meant to Hisoka, but it doesn't fit as well with his character in how he's often characterised as being nonchalant about getting his fix and will move on to the next opponent.
Kurapika's fainting scene is better than the 2011 version purely due to the direction and focus on the characters' faces.
Pakunoda's death scene is another mixed bag. The additional parts involving seeing the group of cats enhances the scene in how they serve as a reminder of the Troupe and what they mean to her. The scene of her shooting her memories into the Troupe is better in the 2011 version due to the music and pacing, not to mention not wasting time in showing parts of the flashback the audience are well aware of, though her actual death is done better here due to the sudden nature of it and the chain imagery.
Overall, it's good, but the 2011 version edges it out as superior.
 

GreatSaiyaman123

Super Elite
Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2017
Messages
14,754
Age
22
If the Senate’s appearence is a product of his fight with Mace Windu, why do his clones keep the same appearance? Specially after he healed himself with Rey and Ben’s energy? :wtf
 

Captain Cadaver

Zeta Elite
Retired Staff
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
27,967
> Expecting even one part of TROS to make sense
:cena

Most sources clarify that Palpatine's appearance is his true appearance and his more youthful looks are a product of Dark Side illusions that were broken when he took the lightning, which makes sense as Luke wasn't severely scarred by Force Lightning in RotJ. As for why his clone's youth wasn't restored, I guess you could chalk it up to it using already aged cells, likely not being Kaminoan technology and the 30+ year gap between RotJ and TRoS offer some explanation, even though it's easier to write it off as a contrived fanfiction mess like the rest of the film.
 

GreatSaiyaman123

Super Elite
Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2017
Messages
14,754
Age
22
And what if I told you Palpatine’s son has been retconned to be yet another clone, making Rey his daughter? :troll
 

GreatSaiyaman123

Super Elite
Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2017
Messages
14,754
Age
22
The ultimate what-if/rewriting scenario. Have you ever considered a partial or even total rewriting of Dragon Ball’s plot overall?
 

Captain Cadaver

Zeta Elite
Retired Staff
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
27,967
I did one quite a while back in this thread: http://www.dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11659

After coming to appreciate more aspects of DB's plot/characters and how they function, however, I'd probably go a different route and keep most of the plot events relatively the same with only minor tweaks to plot holes and contrivances such as better explanations about the Rosat or Namekian Fusion not being brought up earlier, Elder Kaioshin's ritual being made to require far more intense spiritual focus so it's not as cheap a power up, some major overhauls for the timeline changes that Trunks wasn't actively involved in, etc. I'd also obviously make the Earthlings more relevant later on in the series by giving Yamcha and Tenshinhan Kaioken and having the former teach it to Kuririn (or have him train on Kaio's during the 133 days he was waiting to be revived).

Overall, I'd try to change as little as possible when considering how prevalent other people changing modern classics of pop-culture's canon to fit their view rather than that of the original author has become. If anything, I'd see DB's flaws and good concepts with lukewarm execution to be something better suited to use as inspiration for someone's own fictional work. For example, the Chimera Ant Arc of Hunter X Hunter was heavily inspired by the Piccolo Daimao and Cell Arcs, yet was different enough in execution and expanded on certain aspects such as character depth and theme exploration to the point it was far superior to both in every aspect (except maybe pacing).
 

GreatSaiyaman123

Super Elite
Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2017
Messages
14,754
Age
22
Is “Canon” Luke a simp? I mean the OT already had Luke simping for his sister, but thanks to Disney mara Jade never made him man up.
 

Captain Cadaver

Zeta Elite
Retired Staff
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
27,967
OT Luke could only really be called a simp in ANH with how his main motivation was to save Leia because she looked hot, and even then it was only after his uncle and aunt's death left him with nowhere to go other than a crusade against the Empire.
As tempting as it is to call TLJ a simp, he never really white-knighted for Rey or anything like that, so not really.
 

Captain Cadaver

Zeta Elite
Retired Staff
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
27,967
Kyle Ben Kylo Ren definitely has some simp traits during TLJ and TROS with how Rey is basically his primary motivation for doing anything, though he was doing so to kill her rather than white-knighting her in the first half of the latter so it could go either way. I'd say he's more edgy teen stereotype than incel though because he doesn't live in a society really do all his actions out of a desire or hatred for Rey in particular and more so as a reaction to events in his past. In particular, he's not showing the incel trait of hating the Chad Legends Luke and instead hating the Virgin Disney Luke (though maybe that makes him an incel among incels...). Finn's a way bigger simp.

Anakin has some mix of simp and incel traits in AotC as well. The difference is that Anakin's make more sense for his character and are written in a manner that adds to his character arc rather than making him a joke (and not the good kind of jokes prequel memes can provide in abundance).
 

GreatSaiyaman123

Super Elite
Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2017
Messages
14,754
Age
22
Either way, no Skywalker can ever hope to compete with the mighty CHAD-Wan Kenobi, let alone his apprendice CHADitz :panties
 

Captain Cadaver

Zeta Elite
Retired Staff
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
27,967
Of course not. The Chad tier is indeed a different plane from the Normiewalkers. It's very much higher ground. :troll2
 

GreatSaiyaman123

Super Elite
Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2017
Messages
14,754
Age
22
Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.3-4
Context: talking about how Trunks and co. lost to the androids
Tenshinhan: “[Trunks] is the man who took down Freeza…And he was helpless before these androids…I’ll be frank…! No matter how strong Goku may be, he shouldn’t be that different from Trunks or Vegeta…He definitely can’t win…! Not even Goku…”

6eeou8vnl75z.png

190BE3EA621A4ADD87AE9F6D814C9515CEDF8218



Tenshithands = The Senate confirmed? :eek:dawg
 

Captain Cadaver

Zeta Elite
Retired Staff
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
27,967
GreatSaiyaman123 said:
Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.3-4
Context: talking about how Trunks and co. lost to the androids
Tenshinhan: “[Trunks] is the man who took down Freeza…And he was helpless before these androids…I’ll be frank…! No matter how strong Goku may be, he shouldn’t be that different from Trunks or Vegeta…He definitely can’t win…! Not even Goku…”

6eeou8vnl75z.png

190BE3EA621A4ADD87AE9F6D814C9515CEDF8218



Tenshithands = The Senate confirmed? :eek:dawg
That is the truth when his Kikoho and shoulder GAINZ provide him UNLIMITED POWER!!

Ultimate Cell said:
Thoughts on p123 being a bernie bro now :p123
images
 

Captain Cadaver

Zeta Elite
Retired Staff
Joined
May 31, 2015
Messages
27,967
Yes, by far. For one, Luke wasn't a Gary Stu. What Force abilities he picked up were very limited and he still needed guidance to do so, not to mention his abilities and skillset are fitting of his experience. The way other characters treat Luke is also well done with Obi-Wan having hope in him whereas Han's opinions are far more mixed, unlike in TFA where everyone is enamoured with Rey even if they have no real reason to, to the point Leia hugs her instead of Chewie and this random girl who hasn't even formally joined the Resistance is the one sent to find Luke. Secondly, we get clear displays of the reasoning behind his motivations such as how he wants to be proactive but is limited by his circumstances such as his uncle's wishes and does show decent characterisation when bouncing off other characters such as Han, whereas Rey has little to no defining character traits when her motivations constantly switch from one scene to the next (eg. wanting to help BB-8 and not sell him for no reason despite being annoyed by him prior) and we aren't given a solid reason as to why she'd want to stay on Jakku and hold out hope for something she has no evidence will occur. Finally, his arc at the end of ANH not only brings up a solid conclusion for the initial stages of his Hero's Journey but also opens up a solid direction to take things from here with his need to grow stronger in the Force and defeat the Empire for reasons that had been established in the film. Meanwhile, Rey had already proven herself to be a Mary Sue capable of perfectly controlling the Force and beating Kylo Ren without training which already screws up any attempt to have her progress when she'd never truly struggled and her entire "arc" in TFA was primarily a bunch of mystery boxes being set up rather than actual characterisation. You can blame TLJ and TROS in ruining any potential to improve her, but the damage had already been lain in the foundation in TFA.
 

Keedounan

Elite
Member
Joined
Dec 13, 2016
Messages
5,276
Age
27
How would you rate Clementine per season in terms of both design and character?
 
Top