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I read the first chapter of it and found it very mixed. Some aspects of the world seem interesting such as the setting, though the amount of things the protagonist was able to do makes Joseph Joestar's contrived tactics feel very reasonable by comparison (somehow, he manages to plant a bunch of explosives on the corpse without the Sarinjers noticing and then also somehow retrieves the dead man's face to wear). Even assuming the latter is more of some materialisation ability, the opening chapter doesn't really do much to establish how an Angyo Onshi is able to have such powers. The part about Munsu not helping those who desire free handouts was a decent character moment, but it's a trait done far better in many other anime/manga such as Hokuto no Ken or Fullmetal Alchemist to the point it doesn't really stand out as a good scene of characterisation.
I may decide to read more in the future, though the initial chapter certainly didn't do enough to sell itself to me.
 

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I didn't as I assumed it was a first draft chapter. Is it at all relevant to the story, or simply a first-attempt oneshot?
 

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The chapter which introduces Munsu as the true Amen Osa is the one titled chapter 0. The one where he blows up that kid's corpse would be the first chapter you described.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
It probably wouldn't change much for the early events, considering the battles Jotaro participated in weren't ones where time stop would've played a major role beyond giving him an edge in escaping against Rubber Soul. In Egypt, it'd make Jotaro be able to defeat Daniel J. D'arby far easier considering D'arby would have little way of being able to prove Jotaro was cheating and the same would probably apply when facing Telence. Things mainly change when it comes to facing DIO as Polnareff would be able to immediately tell DIO had the same ability as Star Platinum, meaning Kakyoin wouldn't have to sacrifice himself, Jotaro would be able to take on DIO easier due to having improved his time stops and Part 3 concludes with a far easier battle (Avdol and Iggy still die though due to Jotaro being preoccupied with Telence).
Moving onto Part 4, there's little Jotaro himself could change. Kakyoin's survival, however, changes a lot as he'd likely volunteer to help out in Morioh, perhaps replacing the Speedwagon agent giving Jotaro information before fully getting involved once Joseph arrived. Kakyoin would relate to Josuke quite a lot due to how their Stands would've made relating to others difficult and perhaps act as a mentor figure to him and Koichi. Of course, he'd also go on the Milf hunt due to Josuke's mom. A long range Stand like Hierophant Green would also allow the group to track down Kira before he could switch faces with Kosaku, leading to Part 4's plot ending a lot earlier.
This could open up the possibility for Kakyoin being present in Part 5 if Polnareff gets in touch with him. If so, the pair of them may defeat Diavolo at the Collosseum due to Hierophant's range and Chariot's piercing strength proving something Diavolo couldn't counter with Epitaph unless fate asspulls him a way out of things. Assuming Kakyoin survives or doesn't participate, then the Speedwagon foundation would reach out for him in Part 6 and his involvement may be enough for Jotaro to kill Pucci, seeing as how Hierophant Green's range may prevent Pucci's knife tactic from working.
Wouldnt jotaro have used time stop to prevent himself, jospeh, and kakyoin from being dragged into that game room?
 

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That's questionable. Under the right circumstances, perhaps, though they got dragged in pretty quick for him to react to it even with time stop and he wouldn't leave one to fend off D'arby if they were dragged in. Also, Telence would likely change up his strategy to assure Jotaro's compliance through a different method if necessary, considering time stop definitely isn't something he'd overlook.
 

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Because Rian Johnson said Star Wars (The Prequels specifically) is for kids, would you agree the prequels are the grittiest kind of adult films with some really dark and edgy and realistically gritty themes as most people (At least from Reddit) have been claiming these days?
 

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Yes. It's hard to argue that the films that explored political intrigue, drew from many classical historical sources, added complexity and depth to the philosophy and morality of the Force and had Anakin murder a bunch of children is far darker and complex than the OT or Disney films.
I will agree with RJ somewhat that The Phantom Menace is a kids film, but not in the disingenuous nature that some have when trying to make it out that by default "kids film = simplistic" (something the TLJ defenders love to avoid criticism of the film only to then gush about "muh themez" :alex2). George did intend for TPM and Star Wars in general to be accessible for a younger audience and cited it as a movie for 12 year olds, hence the existence of characters such as Jar Jar, but still made it complex enough for adults to find a lot to take away from it. In fact, TPM being a "kids film" is what elevates it as despite being seemingly a film for younger audiences on the outset, its plot and themes of things such as political corruption, slavery and racial tensions are more mature than a typical "kids film" would contain and this intentionally deceptive appearance is a perfect allegory for the deception within its narrative; the movie being one in which it seems from the outset it's about the good guys defeating bad guys when in reality it's about them handing power over to the main villain unintentionally, the ending scene demonstrating this perfectly through the music being a highly edited version of Palpatine's theme.

In fact, the attitude towards the prequels reminds me of a very fitting YouTube comment I once saw that sums things up almost perfectly:

Enjoying the prequels requires knowledge of ancient & ecclesiastical history, Shakespearean drama, classic philosophy, Enlightenment political economy, modern political thought, architectural history, nineteenth century romantic painting, and comparative theology. Skill level: patrician
 

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Tbf all of what you just said sounds like the same point Rian was trying to get across. The context of the statement was that he thought it was amazing for Lucas to explore such themes in a film aimed for children.

And talking about Rian, could he have drawn the inspirations for TLJ's twists from watching Frost subvert everyone's expectatives at the U6 Tournament? :alex2
 

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GreatSaiyaman123 said:
Tbf all of what you just said sounds like the same point Rian was trying to get across. The context of the statement was that he thought it was amazing for Lucas to explore such themes in a film aimed for children.
I see. In that case, Rian did say something very accurate, for once.

And talking about Rian, could he have drawn the inspirations for TLJ's twists from watching Frost subvert everyone's expectatives at the U6 Tournament? :alex2
Nah. Johnson subverts expectations by having something that should never conceivably happen, whereas Toriyama subverts them with a bait and switch that ends up giving the audience exactly what'd be expected. :alex2
 

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What would you do if Yoshit actually managed to write a good appeal? :autism
 

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Let him back under the condition he either change his username to Mount JoJo or The DeVito 3000. :manabu
 

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Do you think theirs potential in an avatar the lastairbender spinoff or prequel exploring past avatars or perhaps the history of the various nations such as the fire nation?
 

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I wouldn't really say so. Perhaps with the right writer there may be, but the current track record for prequel material such as Avatar Wan or the Kiyoshi novel show that they'd probably be pointless at best and heavily damaging to the series at worst.
 

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What do you think about the ongoing controversy surrounding The Last of Us 2 and Naughty Dog as a whole? Does it deter you from ever picking up the IP as I once recommended you to?
 

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I'd still be interested in playing the first game when I can get around to it (may still be quite a while as I lent my PS4 to my cousin). The controversy hasn't deterred my from the first game with its universal praise and the fact its creative team were far different than before Druckmann gained creative control. As for the controversy itself, I'd say it's justified. Not only did the game have little respect for having Joel exit from the series, but forced in its identity politics pretty heavily compared to something like Telltale's TWD where the diversity was naturally implemented, with Druckmann's handling of the situation being by far the worst part in it as he forced a good amount of the fanbase away from it in the same way Disney did with Star Wars fans after TLJ did an eerily similar fiasco with how it handled Luke Skywalker and the integrity of the Star Wars universe in general. From what I've seen, it's not as if the game's plot holds up even ignoring the fan response and Joel's death, considering it only comes about through him acting uncharacteristically trusting of strangers.From what I've heard, the first game still has a story that feels whole without a sequel being absolutely necessary, so at least it's a case where the sequel's quality doesn't damage the original directly.
 

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It's hard to say. In terms of thematic content as a cautionary tale, 1984 trumps Brave New World in showing the dark fate society could have. However, Brave New World's setting is far more plausible when considering a lot of elements of Ingsoc and Big Brother would be unable to maintain stability; human nature would make the controlled masses very unlikely to blindly follow without rewards and their self-interest in mind, achieving their perfect society would be very difficult if everyone is willing to backstab each other and the constantly changing standards of education combined with the faulty technology provided to the masses would lead to either wasted time or inability for them to work efficiently as a work force. It seems pretty accurate that many point to North Korea as the closest irl thing to it, considering that country is far from stable when it comes to harvests, society and economy.
The ideas of Brave New World also seem to have hit the mark better when it came to predicting the future such as its society's views on religion and sex as well as the consumption of media. However, BNW also has greater issues with its characters, with John's speech pattern being far more influenced by the five or so Shakespeare books he read than the savages he lived amongst does seem like a stretch and most of the characters being named after either a Shakespearean or historical figure does make it a bit too referential, not to mention the ending seeming like a very unrealistic scenario. That's not to say the characterisation is bad though, with nobody in the cast being one-dimensional and the different viewpoints allowing the society to seem like a dystopia or utopia depending on your views. Overall, I'd say Brave New World is overall the better work due to its more realistic ideas about population control, though 1984's manipulation of information does act as the missing piece in providing the full message of caution towards the future.
 

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Is this scene top tier comedy material?

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