Since the bandwagon for this has appeared...

[Ultimate Cell]

Also what manga/anime you think started off good but ended up bad?

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Alita Quest - 5.5/10
Mars Chronicle - 5/10

Should be less tbh

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I always assumed that Kira a bit got cocky and arrogant over the year since he started killing and the fact he got a stand that blows anything to nonexistance plus sheer heart attack. Besides that tho I think Kira is one the best jojo villains, hes top 3 imo.

Fair point, though his arrogance does seem to be a bit much at times for someone so meticulous. I do agree he's definitely top 3 material though, Pucci and Valentine being the only ones matching or surpassing him.

[mention]Kenshi[/mention] Probably due to the additional freedom he's gotten. Even though it's been made apparent Toriyama had some involvement in this mess of an arc, it was also made clear he'd be giving Toyotaro more control, which was probably its downfall.

[mention]Ultimate Cell[/mention] One Piece comes to mind. Whilst its writing wasn't as outstanding as the fanbase makes it out to be, it was still a fairly solid action/adventure series for its first 20 volumes and, even when the writing became less consistent from CP9 and onwards, still added a lot to keep people invested such as the history of the world, certain character dynamics, etc. It went so downhill after the timeskip with pretty much every main character being flanderised in some manner (other than Zoro and maybe Robin), repetitive plot structures/tropes and some very inconsistent elements the more it goes on to the point it's definitely gathered more cons than pros.

There are a lot more I could list if including series that became bad in their later arcs and had or have yet to fully redeem themselves such as Hokuto no Ken after its timeskip, Berserk after Griffith's revival or Death Note's post-L material as a whole, though I'd say those series still ended up having more good than bad as a whole enough to pass.

[mention]Pocket-Gog~[/mention] I don't like Alita Quest at all, though I'd still rate it as passable when it was fairly necessary to conclude Alita's arc in Last Order along with the stories of those around her in the oririnal series such as Figure and Ido. Mars Chronicle's rating is purely based on what I've read thus far (which was the mediocre first volume that gave me no interest to continue).

 

[Ultimate Cell]

I always assumed that Kira a bit got cocky and arrogant over the year since he started killing and the fact he got a stand that blows anything to nonexistance plus sheer heart attack. Besides that tho I think Kira is one the best jojo villains, hes top 3 imo.

Fair point, though his arrogance does seem to be a bit much at times for someone so meticulous. I do agree he's definitely top 3 material though, Pucci and Valentine being the only ones matching or surpassing him.

@Kenshi Probably due to the additional freedom he's gotten. Even though it's been made apparent Toriyama had some involvement in this mess of an arc, it was also made clear he'd be giving Toyotaro more control, which was probably its downfall.

@Ultimate Cell One Piece comes to mind. Whilst its writing wasn't as outstanding as the fanbase makes it out to be, it was still a fairly solid action/adventure series for its first 20 volumes and, even when the writing became less consistent from CP9 and onwards, still added a lot to keep people invested such as the history of the world, certain character dynamics, etc. It went so downhill after the timeskip with pretty much every main character being flanderised in some manner (other than Zoro and maybe Robin), repetitive plot structures/tropes and some very inconsistent elements the more it goes on to the point it's definitely gathered more cons than pros.

There are a lot more I could list if including series that became bad in their later arcs and had or have yet to fully redeem themselves such as Hokuto no Ken after its timeskip, Berserk after Griffith's revival or Death Note's post-L material as a whole, though I'd say those series still ended up having more good than bad as a whole enough to pass.

@Pocket-Gog~ I don't like Alita Quest at all, though I'd still rate it as passable when it was fairly necessary to conclude Alita's arc in Last Order along with the stories of those around her in the oririnal series such as Figure and Ido. Mars Chronicle's rating is purely based on what I've read thus far (which was the mediocre first volume that gave me no interest to continue).

What about animes/manga that started out bad but improved later on?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'd say that tends to be a lot rarer when most bad series tend to not learn from their mistakes and I wouldn't class the common case of having a slow or average start as necessarily a bad one. Unless indeed opening the description up to more "slow start" types of series such as Part 1 JoJo, Kinnikuman Nisei, Princess Tutu and some others, I'd struggle to think of a title that went from being definitely bad to good overall.

The closest example that comes to mind would be Jungle King Tar-chan, which went from being a very mediocre action/comedy to having two fairly good last arcs that have a bit more depth than those before it. It's still not enough to redeem the series overall when both of those arcs are still guilty of some poor cliches such as resolve boosts and what interesting themes they have on humanity and identity are done better in other Shonen action series such as FMA or Hunter X Hunter, but it's still a surprising boost in quality for an otherwise run of the mill series.

 

[Papasmurf]

Have you ever considered moving outside the UK?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I've considered a few Asian countries due to things such as better health and societies than the west, though I'd prefer to not be too distant from my family and current events have pretty much put any stop on such thoughts for the moment.

 

[Papasmurf]

You can Zoom or use other programs to talk with family even if you live abroad though.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

True, but when it comes to helping each other or generally spending time together, there is quite a big difference between doing so via a screen and in person.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

plz rank these:

super-bad
pine-apple express
this is the end
interview
sausage party

super-bad ftw

Superbad >>> The rest

As for ranking the rest of them, This is the End > Sausage Party > The Interview > Pineapple Express

This is the End is a pretty fun take on the apocalyptic trend going around Hollywood films recently and uses referential humour well with how self-aware it was at various critiques of its actors such as Seth Rogan basically playing the same type of character in every film. Sausage Party would have been at the top of that chain due to its creativity in food puns and theme exploration on aspects such as religion, modern society, but the last 10-15 minutes spit in the face of most of its own themes. The Interview has some good jokes, though outside its setting it's a pretty conventional Seth Rogan comedy. Pineapple Express had some moments I found funny, though it definitely doesn't offer as much to take away from it as the rest.

i knw this was some-time ago, but i probably forgot 40-year-old virgin. that i think counts as a movie on that list as-well (maybe knocked-up too but i'm not too sure abt that).

so, if u can & want, where'd u rank that?

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[Captain Cadaver]

I remember finding it funny and it had a more unique premise than most "sex comedies". I can't recall many specifics beyond a few select scenes I liked to give a thorough analysis of it, though from memory I'd probably rank it between Superbad and This is the End.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

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From a scale of 1 to 10 how canonical is this :rape

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Coincidentally enough, I was watching that last night

3/10. Galu is too eloquent in it for even his pre-GT/Super self 2.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

What if for the next chapter of dbs, tracetoro just decided to copy the last of us 2 and have one of the main character get killed by golf club wielding dyke

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Somehow, it'd probably be more consistent/less immersion breaking than what's already going on with the arc .

 

[Papasmurf]

When do you think became self-aware of his tendency to make Galu disappear and make no contact with his friends for 3 to 5 or even 7 years? It's interesting that he disappeared and made no contact with his friends ever since the post-RRA/Baba segment where he dropped off the radar, and continued to do so over and over again between basically every timeskip in the series. But for some reason, AT never really mentioned this fact until he had Bulma note that Goku again made no contact with her for 5 years prior to the EoZ.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It's difficult to say if he really became aware of it prior to the Boo Arc. I'd say the absolute latest he'd have become aware of it would be when he was writing the early events of the Boo Arc as Goku choosing to remain dead would've aired in the anime around that time and some additional character viewpoints from the scene drew a comparison to the other times he left such as Tenshinhan remembering how he just got his Nyoibo and left for 3 years after the fight with Daimao. Anything earlier is basically pure assumptions when the characters don't seem to acknowledge this running trend. Considering Toriyama is noted for his reclusive lifestyle and not being one for big social gatherings, it's quite possible he wasn't entirely aware of this being a running trend of Goku's character rather than just the norm to him, with it taking an episode of the anime to open his eyes to what he was doing.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

wot do u think of this music, if u can & want to say?

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[Captain Cadaver]

It's an alright theme. It doesn't have the grandiose nature of something such as Passionate Duellist or many other character themes of the original anime, though I suppose it serves its purpose well in fitting both the style/tone of 5D's as well as Yusei's character.

 

[Papasmurf]

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When do you think we'll actually see black pundits who do their research and posit that equivalent opportunity is the best medicine for inequalities in the west instead of setting racial preferences, quotas and funneling idiotic restitutive policies that backfire, actually get the attention that they deserve? The state of the black left is essentially being on the prowl for any sign of prejudice or sentencing bias in the country and building a narrative that we're in a completely racist society still, while sweeping all the drawbacks of leftist policies (that only serve to slow down progress) under the rug. It's quite hilarious that most libtards are still in favor of affirmative action when it produces fewer black graduates and limits the entry of Asians when both are minorities, despite those policies having a funny way of constantly backfiring for more than 40 years.