Some kewl counters to Gotenks arguments

[kriss-]

Piccolo believed Gotenks Base Post stood a chance:
Counter: Piccolo is not entirely reliable during the Boo Saga.

Piccolo believed Majin Vegeta was only a little stronger then Kid Gohan SSj2, whereas Majin Vegeta believed himself to be on another level. e.g. Teen Gohan believed that his battle power during the Cell Games (Kid Gohan) could manage something against Innocent Boo's initial battle power, Majin Vegeta laughs at Innocent Boo's battle power and acknowledges him as nothing special.

Piccolo didn't doubt Gotenks Pre-Rosat's power, only his speed.
Counter: Piccolo did not have time to properly test him.

Gotenks flew off before Piccolo was able to measure and gauge him properly. Speed does not correlate with power, so it's fallacious to determine anything from this brief encounter.

Goku said someone stronger then himself would come and it wasn't contradicted.
Counter: It was based off a false pretense.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

How about this.. Piccolo: ''You're absolutely no match against Majin Boo!'' That would make sense.

 

[kriss-]

Piccolo: I'm not going to say you are, but I'm not going to say you're not...

Fan: That automatically means he is!

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Would you say that these counters are 2kewl4u?

By the way, I like the way you format these.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

It takes a second to gauge someone's power. Piccolo doesn't need like 20 mins to realize that he has a huge Chi.

You can find many reasons why someone isn't reliable in the Boo saga. Doesn't mean you can exclude everything they say.

 

[kriss-]

Vegeta was unable to gauge Perfect Cell's power until he fought him.
Perfect Cell was unable to gauge Kid Gohan's power until he fought him.
Super Boo was unable to gauge Ultimate Gohan's power until he fought him.
Super Boo was unable to gauge Vegetto's power until he fought him.
Vegeta was unable to gauge Pure Boo's power until he fought him.
Goku was unable to gauge Vegeta's power until he fought him.
Both Piccolo and Goku was unable to gauge Radditz's speed until they fought him.
Vegeta was unable to gauge Freeza's power until he fought him.
Vegeta was unable to gauge the Cell Juniors power until he fought him.

Reason being: Standing Chi is different then fight Chi, flying does not equate to fighting. Your first point is debunked.

My second point still stands.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

You need to stop assuming you're debunking points when you're doing the exact opposite.

Vegeta was unable to gauge Freeza's power until he fought him.

Is that why Vegeta was able to realize how outclassed he was after seeing Freeza's speed? I thought speed wasn't an indication of power? This example shows that speed can go a long way in giving an indication of power.

Super Saiyan Gotenks' standing Chi was considered incredible by Piccolo. Logic dictates his fighting Chi would exceed his standing Chi since he's, you know, fighting. Piccolo only needed to see his speed to see how it complimented his power. If he needed to see more of Gotenks' power, it would've been stated. It wasn't. Anyway, Piccolo was unable to keep up with his speed; meaning, Gotenks speed was also just as incredible as his power.

 

[kriss-]

One example in the face of dozens. The point still stands.

Standing Chi is different then fighting Chi. Your argument is rendered invalid.

And just for the Lulz:

Anyway, Piccolo was unable to keep up with his speed; meaning, Gotenks speed was also just as incredible as his power.

That makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Future Warrior]

Piccolo never said SSJ Gotenks (Pre-Rosat) wasn't able to beat Fat Boo.

Piccolo: “H-hey, you idiot! Kuh…! Wh-what a shithead…H-he already has only 1 minute left that he can stay merged. That dimwhit…!”

Piccolo is more worried about the fact that his fusion wont last rather than him being weaker than Boo.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

One example in the face of dozens. The point still stands.

No, it doesn't. Your other examples don't apply here because speed wasn't a determining factor there.

Vegeta thought he could beat Freeza; Freeza upped his speed. Vegeta realized he couldn't handle Freeza.

That's the only example I need because the others can be safely disregarded.

Standing Chi is different then fighting Chi. Your argument is rendered invalid.

Except your examples don't render anything invalid. They don't apply to what's being discussed.

That makes absolutely no sense.

Only to you. Piccolo asked to see his speed, Gotenks does one better and flies around the world a few times before taking a nap.

So his speed was way beyond Piccolo's comprehension. End.

 

[kriss-]

Piccolo never said Gotenks was strong enough to fight Boo. You can't make up non-existing statements such as 'Well he didn't doubt him, so Piccolo must think he's strong enough'. Fallacious.

Piccolo was testing out Gotenks, but the trials weren't finished. It's fallacious for you to determine anything from them.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

What's the point for Piccolo to praised Gotenks power if he was too weak to fight Boo?

 

[kriss-]

You're making up statements that don't exist.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Shouldn't be there a contradiction if Gotenks can't beat Boo?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Piccolo never said Gotenks was strong enough to fight Boo. You can't make up non-existing statements such as 'Well he didn't doubt him, so Piccolo must think he's strong enough'. Fallacious.

Piccolo never said he wasn't strong enough to fight Boo. Everything indicates that he was.

Piccolo said Base Gotenks was quite strong, but not enough to beat Boo.

Piccolo said Super Saiyan Gotenks' Chi was incredible, though he needed to see his speed. If the same Piccolo had no qualms saying Base Gotenks' was inferior to Boo without needing to see his speed, why wouldn't that be mentioned here?

Piccolo was testing out Gotenks, but the trials weren't finished. It's fallacious for you to determine anything from them.

It's fallacious for you to assume there were additional tests for the boys to complete. Piccolo asked to see their speed, nothing more. Anything else is your own personal conjecture added to the story. They were going to fight Boo a day later. The only thing that delayed this fact was Super Boo.

 

[Six Trails]

You're making up statements that don't exist.

Chapter: 482 (DBZ 288), P7.2-3
Context: after Super Saiyan Gotenks forms for the first time
Piccolo: “…Yeah…Your ki really is absolutely incredible, but how about your movement?...Show me a little.”
Gotenks: “Is that alright? If I show you here, the house might break. I’ll do it on the ground.”

This statement is made up? Because that is Piccolo praising Gotenks if you couldn't tell.

 

[Pyro]

But to Piccolo, lots of people would be incredible.

 

[ahill1]

Piccolo said Super Saiyan Gotenks' Chi was incredible, though he needed to see his speed. If the same Piccolo had no qualms saying Base Gotenks' was inferior to Boo without needing to see his speed, why wouldn't that be mentioned here?

Not only this, but Piccolo said Gotenks' SSJ chi REALLY is incredible. Key word is really, like he already had expectations for Gotenks' power and his chi matched his expectations. And what was this expectations? Oh sure, that Gotenks would be enough to beat fat Boo, like Goku said more than once.

 

[kriss-]

Gotenks put emphasis on his speed and assumed it correlated to strength, it doesn't, it, it fucking doesn't. There are numerous scenarios where Ki is called incredible, stupendous and amazing, but it doesn't stack up to the competition.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Gotenks put emphasis on his speed because Piccolo wanted to see his speed. Your issue stems with Piccolo. According to green man, Gotenks Chi was incredible, but his speed was what was in question.

There are more instances where it does correlate with power, actually. We're given no reason to assume it differs here.