Some numbers for high ass tier characters

[SSJ2]

He didn't do any damage though. Remember how they got incredibly lucky that she fell asleep after that? She decimated Queen without using Haki.

 

[Future Warrior]

Technically Prime Whitebeard should be the highest since he's the world's strongest man.

 

[ahill1]

She recovered her memory, so the headbutt was at least strong enough to knock her back into her senses.

 

[ahill1]

Technically Prime Whitebeard should be the highest since he's the world's strongest man.

Old WB > Kaido too, IMO.

 

[SSJ2]

Old WB couldn’t even use Haki lol.

 

[ahill1]

Wutt lol

 

[SSJ2]

He couldn’t use Haoshoku because he was so weak.

 

[Future Warrior]

It's honestly pretty wack that you guys believe Roger is 20 points higher than Kaido. That's a huge L.

 

[SSJ2]

I never said that. I think Roger, Prime WB, Shiki, and Prime Harp are all a step above the current Yonko. Prime Roger's advanced Haoshoku was clearly more impressive than what we've seen the current Yonko being capable of. Kaido might've gotten slightly stronger since he was beaten by Oden but that's not implied anywhere. We saw how Oden was literal trash to Roger. There's a clear step between those tiers.

 

[Future Warrior]

Sure, but it's not a 80-105 difference.

 

[SSJ2]

I don't think it is either. 105-90 maybe.

 

[Future Warrior]

You think Prime Rayleigh could beat Kaido?

 

[SSJ2]

I'm not sure. Given that he was still equal to an Admiral (in power at least) at the age of 76, maybe? We don't know if he was capable of using Advanced Haoshoku either. With the current information I'd maybe give it to Kaido 5.5-6/10 times.

 

[Future Warrior]

The common trend has been that 1st mates are close to their captains (Beckman, Zoro).

 

[SSJ2]

I'd say 90 is pretty close to 100. Especially when we're talking about the top of the top tiers. Plus it didn't seem implied that Rayleigh was out of Oden's league whereas Roger clearly was.

 

[Future Warrior]

Roger had Adv. CoC, that's why. When he got slashed away by his attack Oden was like ''Wtf was that?'' They have better Haki than him.

 

[SSJ2]

Yea but until we see Rayleigh using advanced Haoshoku then the same should apply to him, no?

 

[Future Warrior]

Oden learned Adv. CoC when he fought Kaido.

I can't say for sure but to me that looks like CoC. My point is that Roger swapping away Oden doesn't matter because that wasn't at his strongest.

 

[SSJ2]

Isn't that just regular Haoshoku? If it was advanced there should be a stream of it coming from his sword before the attack. And it's possible that Oden did become stronger in the 1 year with the Roger pirates, though I'd guess most of his gains came when he was with Whitebeard. His time with Roger was depicted as chasing down poneglyphs rather than getting into tough battles.

 

[Future Warrior]

I don't fucking know man. Oda is a genius but at the same time he's a retard. I don't know what the hell he was thinking when he created the Haki concept.