SSJB Vegetto and Beerus

[SSJ2]

What was Kaioshin talking about when saying Vegetto might have surpassed Beerus?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

About Vegetto being possibly stronger than Beerus.

 

[SSJ2]

No shit dumbass. What version of Beerus? He's clearly exponentially stronger than that.

 

[SIAD]

I think Beerus got too strong since he had faced Champa thousands of years ago.

With what little information Shin is informed, he would say that he did not know that Beerus had grown stronger in those thousands of years.

He would say that Vegetto SSJB (Arc Zamasu) is a bit more powerful than Champa in the Manga.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

It’s hard to be specific because we don’t know if Shin even knows how strong Beerus is. The manga doesn’t give us anything on their backstory, but didn’t the anime suggest Shin had never met Beerus before?

Looking at the line, Shin isn’t even sure himself. We often take these “might be”’s to mean two characters are close, but it’s possible Shin is unsure because he doesn’t know Beerus’ power at all. He’s just sensing Vegetto’s gigantic Ki and wondering if even Beerus is up to pair.

Ch. 23, pg. 43.6-7
Context: as Vegetto prepares his Final Kamehameha
Kaioshin: “A-amazing… This is incredible…! The power of Vegetto… Could it already be greater than Lord Beerus’s?!”

Assuming Shin is wrong, I’d still place Vegetto above Jiren, and maybe Broly. Not only did MUI Goku not warrant such comments from Shin, but Goku and Vegeta aren’t suggested to have powered up massively if at all between the Future Saga and the Broly movie (other than Vegeta unlocking SSJBE), so Vegetto is at least Gogeta level.

 

[SIAD]

It’s hard to be specific because we don’t know if Shin even knows how strong Beerus is. The manga doesn’t give us anything on their backstory, but didn’t the anime suggest Shin had never met Beerus before?

Looking at the line, Shin isn’t even sure himself. We often take these “might be”’s to mean two characters are close, but it’s possible Shin is unsure because he doesn’t know Beerus’ power at all. He’s just sensing Vegetto’s gigantic Ki and wondering if even Beerus is up to pair.



Assuming Shin is wrong, I’d still place Vegetto above Jiren, and maybe Broly. Not only did MUI Goku not warrant such comments from Shin, but Goku and Vegeta aren’t suggested to have powered up massively if at all between the Future Saga and the Broly movie (other than Vegeta unlocking SSJBE), so Vegetto is at least Gogeta level.

I did not understand why Vegetto SSJB (Arc Zamasu) ~ Gogeta PSSJB.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I did not understand why Vegetto SSJB (Arc Zamasu) ~ Gogeta PSSJB.

It’s Vegetto ~ Gogeta in equal forms.

 

[SIAD]

It’s Vegetto ~ Gogeta in equal forms.

And how did you arrive at that theory?

 

[SIAD]

Makes sense.

I have Broly LSSJ = Vegetto SSJB (Arc Zamasu) in the Manga.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I think Kaioshin's statement was based on where he assumed Beerus' maximum was. I don't believe it centered around anything particularly concrete.

There's also Toyo's interview not too long after that basically left things open.

V-Jump says Vegito was powerful enough to rival Beerus.

But once the whole "My mind is always on destruction. That's why there's no limit to my power" was introduced into the story, it's almost impossible to pinpoint Beerus.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

I think the answer is obvious: Vegetto may or may not have been written to be stronger than Beerus at the time. But this may also be a moot point because Beerus keeps on getting retcons that increase his strength over time.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

I think the answer is obvious: Vegetto may or may not have been written to be stronger than Beerus at the time. But this may also be a moot point because Beerus keeps on getting retcons that increase his strength over time.

Beerus at this point is the strongest god of destruction at this point even though it makes no sense considering he always sleeps and jacks off.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Beerus at this point is the strongest god of destruction at this point even though it makes no sense considering he always sleeps and jacks off.

You have to make the other universes further irrelevant somehow. At this point Battle of Gods is completely comical with all these retcons.

 

[SSJ2]

-Jump says Vegito was powerful enough to rival Beerus.

Does it?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I think Kaioshin's statement was based on where he assumed Beerus' maximum was. I don't believe it centered around anything particularly concrete.

There's also Toyo's interview not too long after that basically left things open.

V-Jump says Vegito was powerful enough to rival Beerus.

But once the whole "My mind is always on destruction. That's why there's no limit to my power" was introduced into the story, it's almost impossible to pinpoint Beerus.

I’ve been looking for the Toyble and V-Jump lines, but couldn’t find anything.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I gotcha fams.

Toyotaro excerpt:

Interview: https://dragonballsuper-france.fr/d...e-linterview-de-toyotaro-napoli-comicon-2017/

 

[SSJ2]

Interesting. I'll take Toyo's word over V-Jump's assertion.

 

[SIAD]

Then:

Beerus (Current) >> Gas> Granolah > MI Vegeta >> UI Goku (Current) > UI Goku (Moro)> Gogeta PSSJB >> Moro (OG73-I) > Broly LSSJ = Vegetto SSJB (Arc Zamasu)> = Beerus (ToP) >= Quitela > Rumoosh > Mosco >>>>>> Beerus (In the past) >= Champa > Geen > = Gogeta SSJ (Arc Broly) > = Broly SSJ > = Liquir = Arak = Iwan>= Helles > UI Goku (ToP) > Jiren (Beyond Limits) > Jiren (FP) > Belmod > Sidra.

Whis must be = 1.5x Beerus (Peak).

What do you think?