Super Saiyan 2/3 Multipliers

[Victorious]

Gohan's rage has never been a small boost or a 'cherry on top' type of scenario, on the contrary it's a massive multifold power up . For instance he went from much weaker than 1st form Freeza and Vegeta to at least equalling 2nd form Freeza.

 

[p123]

Well, perhaps my analogy was incorrect. Here's a better one. Instead of Gohan topping out in 4th gear like everyone else, he has a 5th gear.

Super Saiyan 2 Gohan (Rage Boost) 250
Super Perfect Cell 240
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan 200
Perfect Cell 150

So Gohan has another notch. He can't kick it into overdrive with his rage boost.

And to address the matter at hand, Gohan's rage boost are so large when he is younger because he is so inexperienced and so untrained. By the time he is facing Cell, he has trained many, many years and has reached most of his potential on his own, without the need for a rage boost. The rage boost essentially unlocks his dormant power, so the more trained he is, the less dormant power would be accessible.

 

[Victorious]

Super Saiyan 2 Gohan (Rage Boost) 250
Super Perfect Cell 240
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan 200
Perfect Cell 150

So SSJ2 Teen Gohan in front of Kibito is how strong? Only an equal to FP PC?

Nahh SSJ2 Teen Gohan needs to be >> FP PC

 

[p123]

No, he has to be stronger, since Dabura is stronger than FP Cell.

Super Saiyan 2 Gohan = Dabura > Dabura's Estimate = FP Cell

Gohan and Dabura are 175.

Gohan has lost a couple of steps, but he's also lost his power from rage. That's what makes his power so pathetic.

 

[Victorious]

That Dabura statement makes no sense. For one thing it's much more likely to be SPC than FP PC.

Dabura is like MSSJ Goku level at the Cell Games dude.

 

[p123]

Sure it makes sense. Gohan's power is treated as a truly respectable level, while Cell's is not. Clearly they aren't talking about Cell's zenkai.

Gohan has to be Super Saiyan 2 to make majority of the story flow. It's a superior viewpoint imo. There's holes of course, but it works much better.

 

[p123]

Sure it makes sense. Gohan's power is treated as a truly respectable level, while Cell's is not. Clearly they aren't talking about Cell's zenkai.

Gohan has to be Super Saiyan 2 to make majority of the story flow. It's a superior viewpoint imo. There's holes of course, but it works much better.

 

[Victorious]

There's holes in Gohan being an SSJ2 though...and not just the art/depiction.

For one thing Vegeta makes it very obvious to Goku that he can trash Gohan and Dabura when they are fighting one another. Yet Goku is surprised when Majin Vegeta goes SSJ2.

 

[p123]

Yep. There's major holes on both sides. Either way you have to rewrite the story a bit. I think this way makes sense the most.

1) Remove Goku and Vegeta's shock over each other's Super Saiyan 2 transformation.

If you do that, it flows pretty smoothly. As is.

 

[p123]

I'm going with 2.5 for each and just made the best list ever

 

[ahill1]

Depends how you slice it really, Goku presumably spent 2 months or so unlocking Grade 2/3 so he may be above Kamiccolo in normal SSJ and he might not. Cell's power up to FP in Perfect form might have been huge and it might not have been. There's a lot of ifs in this scenario although there seem to be more gaps between SSJ Trunks < FP Semi < Grade 2 Trunks < initial Grade 3 Trunks =< suppressed Cell =< Grade 3 Trunks, than SSJ Gohan =< powered up Cell < FP Cell < Injured Buff Cell < SSJ2 Gohan.

You think Goku spent 2 months unlocking grade 2 because that was the amount of time it took Vegeta to achieve such form?