Super Saiyan 2 Vegetto vs. SVB2

[Pyro]

It's an easy thing to figure out. Logically, with the same multipliers, Vegetto shouldn't be stronger than Goku in equal forms, so SSj3 Goku should far outpace SSj Vegetto. However, that's not what the story would imply. Goku's statement loses its meaning if it isn't to directly confirm Baby's superiority over everyone from the past. It's the same as arguing Goku's line about Rild isn't about the strongest form of Boo – it devalues both characters (Rild because he isn't that strong and Goku because he's supposedly hyping someone who isn't that strong).

With GT's miniscule multipliers, Base Goku can be ahead of Gohan-Boo and still end up weaker than SSj Vegetto from Z, as the story would lead us to believe. An out-of-universe explanation isn't necessary, nor does it work all that well.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

And he says it because the plot wanted to show Baby is strong which is why he said he had attained the greatest saiyan power imo.. Nothing contradicts it

As I said before.. GT Base Goku is already well ahead of Gohan-Boo

He attained the greatest power and which saiyan was previous greatest power? Its Vegito.
Vegito could be much more stronger than we thought [at least in Toei].

 

[Pakl]

It's an easy thing to figure out. Logically, with the same multipliers, Vegetto shouldn't be stronger than Goku in equal forms, so SSj3 Goku should far outpace SSj Vegetto. However, that's not what the story would imply. Goku's statement loses its meaning if it isn't to directly confirm Baby's superiority over everyone from the past. It's the same as arguing Goku's line about Rild isn't about the strongest form of Boo – it devalues both characters (Rild because he isn't that strong and Goku because he's supposedly hyping someone who isn't that strong).

With GT's miniscule multipliers, Base Goku can be ahead of Gohan-Boo and still end up weaker than SSj Vegetto from Z, as the story would lead us to believe. An out-of-universe explanation isn't necessary, nor does it work all that well.

Having SSjin 3 Goku weaker than SSjin Vegetto when his base is ahead of Gohan-Boo sounds dumb in universe logic

Also even with the tiny multipliers there is no way GT SSjin 3 Goku is weaker than SSjin Vegetto

 

[Pyro]

It's an easy thing to figure out. Logically, with the same multipliers, Vegetto shouldn't be stronger than Goku in equal forms, so SSj3 Goku should far outpace SSj Vegetto. However, that's not what the story would imply. Goku's statement loses its meaning if it isn't to directly confirm Baby's superiority over everyone from the past. It's the same as arguing Goku's line about Rild isn't about the strongest form of Boo – it devalues both characters (Rild because he isn't that strong and Goku because he's supposedly hyping someone who isn't that strong).

With GT's miniscule multipliers, Base Goku can be ahead of Gohan-Boo and still end up weaker than SSj Vegetto from Z, as the story would lead us to believe. An out-of-universe explanation isn't necessary, nor does it work all that well.

Having SSjin 3 Goku weaker than SSjin Vegetto when his base is ahead of Gohan-Boo sounds dumb in universe logic

Also even with the tiny multipliers there is no way GT SSjin 3 Goku is weaker than SSjin Vegetto

Yes, there is. Vegetto wouldn't be the one with tiny multipliers. Blocking Boo with his feet was supposed to show how easily he could win, not that he needed to block Boo.

 

[Pakl]

Nothing says he can't tank him though but I think he can

Anyway, GT Base Gohan should be Gotenks-Boo level... That already makes GT SSjin 3 Goku stronger than SSjin 3 Vegetto

I don't think TOEI was following multipliers and such but just like DB logic when A > B

It makes no sense to me that GT SSjin 3 Goku is weaker than SSjin Vegetto

 

[Pyro]

It doesn't have to. That's how it is.

 

[Pakl]

GT Base Goku being stronger than GT SSjin Gohan whose base is in par with Gotenks-Boo is just another proof of why GT SSjin 3 Goku can't be weaker than SSjin Vegetto

 

[Six Trails]

He isn't. Get over it. Base S17 arc Goku is stronger than Super Vegetto if that makes it any better.

 

[Pakl]

Yes he is.. Stop saying things you don't know.. GT Base Goku >> GT SSjin Gohan >> GT Base Gohan ~ Gotenks-Boo

No way GT SSjin 3 Goku is weaker than SSjin Vegetto

Plus, I can say Goku meant to Anime Pure Boo and his base is > SSjin Vegetto

 

[Six Trails]

Stop saying things you don't know..

Stop being a hypocrite..

GT Base Goku >> GT SSjin Gohan

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showpost.php?p=30983484&postcount=103

GT Base Gohan ~ Gotenks-Boo

Remind me where this is stated.

No way GT SSjin 3 Goku is weaker than SSjin Vegetto

He is. SVB1 is the first person noted to surpass Vegetto.

Plus, I can say Goku meant to Anime Pure Boo and his base is > SSjin Vegetto

You can, you'd still be wrong. You don't have any evidence to support your claim, meanwhile there's much more evidence supporting the opposing view.

 

[Pyro]

GT Base Goku being stronger than GT SSjin Gohan whose base is in par with Gotenks-Boo is just another proof of why GT SSjin 3 Goku can't be weaker than SSjin Vegetto

He can. It's been explicitly explained and is stated in the show itself. Goku is not stronger than Vegetto until later in the show. His transformation boosts are just too small.

 

[Pakl]

Hmm, TOEI follows their logic and in the Anime Pure Boo > Gohan-Boo.. Your "Gohan was beaten because of shock wave" is stupid because if SSjin Gohan was not weaker than Base Gohan, then the shock wave would not affect him.. It's clear GT Base Goku > SSjin Gohan

Surpassing SSjin Vegetto is an assumption.. He can be stronger than the others who are stronger than SSjin Vegetto..

GT Base Gohan is stronge than Ultimate Gohan... GT perfect files state he never stopped training

Even if the transformation boosts are small which was never stated but just hinted, he can't e weaker than SSjin Vegetto

GT Base Goku is well ahead of Gohan-Boo.. SSjin Goku is 2.5x stronger? SSjin 3 Goku should be at least 4 stronger.. Goku has SSjin .. He seemed to use it vs Rild

Hence, GT SSjin 3 Goku has to be at least 10x Gohan-Boo and Baby is even stronger

 

[Six Trails]

Hmm, TOEI follows their logic and in the Anime Pure Boo > Gohan-Boo..

Not evidence. Just an arbitrary rule you made up with no supporting evidence, just that Toei has to follow the power-scaling of the Z anime "just because". Pure Buu > Gohan-Buu isn't even fact in the anime.

Your "Gohan was beaten because of shock wave" is stupid because if SSjin Gohan was not weaker than Base Gohan, then the shock wave would not affect him.. It's clear GT Base Goku > SSjin Gohan

You must not have read the post thoroughly.

Surpassing SSjin Vegetto is an assumption.. He can be stronger than the others who are stronger than SSjin Vegetto..

He was the strongest person in GT before transforming, so he had to surpass someone. Vegetto is the only person left.

GT Base Gohan is stronge than Ultimate Gohan... GT perfect files state he never stopped training

That doesn't make him on par with Gotenks-Buu, he could be a little stronger and just have trained to unlock his SS forms.

Even if the transformation boosts are small which was never stated but just hinted, he can't e weaker than SSjin Vegetto

GT Base Goku is well ahead of Gohan-Boo.. SSjin Goku is 2.5x stronger? SSjin 3 Goku should be at least 4 stronger.. Goku has SSjin .. He seemed to use it vs Rild

Hence, GT SSjin 3 Goku has to be at least 10x Gohan-Boo and Baby is even stronger

Doesn't matter. The Vegetto/Gohan-Buu gap is never stated. You're saying it has to be the gap you have, despite having no backing.

 

[Pakl]

Of course it's fact in the Anime.. Goku says he is the strongest Boo and implies even SSjin Vegetto can't beat him

SSjin Vegetto was overpowered by gohan-Boo's scream which is Pure Boo's hax power

TOEI made GT and the Anime so it only makes sense they follow their work

Sure, I read the post... Goku being damaged from the blast is basically because he didn't try to defend himself.. He owned Goten and Gohan after

Yet, GT implies Goku's base is already stronger than at least Gohan-Boo which makes no sense in universe wise for him to be weaker than SSjin Vegetto

He has the Ultimate hair style and he got stronger in base lone and then unlock SSjin.. Training for years makes him at least close to Gotenks-Boo

How big is the gap between them?

 

[Pyro]

Gohan and Goten were perfectly fine and raring to go again, indicating the first round wasn't everything they had. It's not conclusive evidence of Base Goku being above them (although he should be above SSj Goten-Baby due to Base Gohan >~ SSj Goten-Baby and Base Goku > Base Gohan). Regardless, Base Goku being above Gohan-Boo still doesn't affect what was stated.

Base Vegetto - 0.9
Gohan-Boo - 1
Rild - 1.2
Goku - 1.3
SSj Goku - 3.25
SSj2 Goku - 4.8
SSj3 Goku - 14.4
SSj Vegetto - 45

Something like that works well within the narrative. Of course, SSj Vegetto being 45x stronger than Gohan-Boo does seem extravagant.

 

[Spiral-Force]

Baby's pseudo-Super Saiyan power-ups weren't suggested to be that great, so I'd give Vegito the edge on this one.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Vegetto has this in the bag even in SSJ

 

[Six Trails]

Vegetto has this in the bag even in SSJ

How did you come to that conclusion? A weaker Baby was stated to have obtained the greatest of Saiyan power (and was also the greatest Ki ever sensed by Goku).

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Vegetto has this in the bag even in SSJ

How did you come to that conclusion? A weaker Baby was stated to have obtained the greatest of Saiyan power (and was also the greatest Ki ever sensed by Goku).

I'm not sure where greatest of Saiyan power is from but Goku's statement can easily be reconciled with the Perfect Files by assuming that Goku did not "sense" SSJ Vegetto

 

[SSJ2]

I don't get that logic, brah. Goku clearly knows fusion wouldn't be enough to beat Beerus in BoG/Super, so he certainly knows how strong the previous fusion made him. Why wouldn't he recall his own chi?