Super vs GT

[Six Trails]

I don't recall GT ever having shit as bad as this:

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If anyone here is being biased, it's you t0sh. You're free to believe that Super has a better story than GT, but to claim that Super has better animation is clearly incorrect. It's not even subjective.

 

[kriss-]

Low ends don't mean jack shit. The overall quality of Super is light years beyond the hand drawn artwork of GT, and it will always be.

@One Piece Bus Ride
You've never had respect for me, and you're always arrogant and rude on every thread you post in. I will not take your opinion seriously and nobody else should either. Everything you say is too heavily influenced by how you personally feel about certain things, not how these things actually are.

I am also anything but biased. Using words like 'subjective' doesn't make you right either.
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[Six Trails]

So in other words, you nitpicking and making claims without posting any examples to help support said claims.

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[kriss-]

They're not claims, they are facts.

Please don't act like this is a debate, because it isn't.

 

[Uchiha]

Super outright stole half of its premise from a popular fan spinoff. And ended up hiring another spinoff writer for the manga.

Jesus lol...

 

[Six Trails]

Tosh, to call you a hypocrite would be a massive understatement. First off, you go around calling people biased all of the time. Not only that, but you've called people "fucking idiots" for having a different opinion than you do. But apparently, I'm the arrogant one here? Just look at all of the posts you've made in this thread. Not only that, but you get to go around calling people biased, but when someone says it back you start crying about it? Get real.

You're right that this isn't a debate. It's you refusing to support any of your claims and instead just saying "it's fact". How can you even expect people to take you seriously?

 

[kriss-]

Yes you are definitely being arrogant. It would not take a genius to notice that.

It's not a claim, it's a fact. I know I'm correct and I am disdainfully reluctant in participating in something like a debate, with someone like you.

 

[Classic Adamas]

lol at the people that use the old "GT stole ideas from DB and DBZ!" argument. The first TWO arcs of Super (~half of GT) were just rehashing the same story we saw in the 2013 and 2015 films, and the films did a MUCH better job in literally every way. Taking this into consideration, I'd say GT wins by default because whether you love it or you hate it, at least it was somewhat original. What has Super brought to the table exactly? It shat on Gohan, it shat on Shenron and the Dragon Balls as a whole, they introduced two new gods who are essentially clones of Beerus and Whis, they introduced a new universe which is identical to the original one, they introduced a nipple man (FFS) Jaco the shitty patrolman, Bulma's sister that she's neglected to mention for 40 or so years, Vegeta acting like a fucking pussy, another fucking Freeza clone, the list goes on and on.

All this shit, plus the horrible pacing and animation places Super below GT for me, and if you think any differently, you're in denial, in my honest opinion.

All Super has going for it is that one scene where Vegeta kills an octopus.

 

[Classic Adamas]

Yes you are definitely being arrogant. It would not take a genius to notice that.

It's not a claim, it's a fact. I know I'm correct and I am disdainfully reluctant in participating in something like a debate, with someone like you.

Mike: "Super has worse animation" *Posts evidence of bad animation*

Tosh: "GT has worse animation" *Provides no proof whatsoever* "I'm right, you're wrong."

this is why nobody takes you seriously.

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[Papasmurf]

Shit >> GT >>> Super

 

[Tapion]

my opinion is

~ GT has better story
~ GT has better concepts
~ GT has better villains
~ GT has little to no obvious and wacky mistakes in animation like Super has. Super's Episode 5 is a good example.

Obviously, that's my opinion.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I like GT because

Because Goku was amazed that Syn Shenron can destroy a city by powering up or a blast.
Pan surpassed all dbz characters because she didn't train anything and can't kill Dr. Gero lol.
Gogeta wanted Omega Shenron to release Negative Karma ball so he can turn it into positive energy similar to what Vegito did, trying to pissed Boo in order to get himself absorb.
Goten and Trunks surpassed SS3 Goku from Z without training.
GT perfect files said Gohan didn't neglect his training while after Baby Arc, his power didn't increase lol!
Pan pushing the button in order to go space was a brilliant idea to show how annoying she is.

That's how GT is so amazing!

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

GT is Based in how Baby was created by the pure hatred of the Tuffles on the Saiyans - it is awesome too see that Baby is not like those characters seeking revenge in the series - To achieve his means, he do anything that he can, even using the body of a "filthy" saiyan, using mutated Super Saiyan forms. He is not as much as an idiot as every "avenger" - no, he is controlled, cold, and manipulate the "filthy" Saiyans to do whatever he wants. He is awesome, the best villain in GT imo.

Like Frieza story, its all about Saiyan story.

Super Android 17 is basically the recycled villain. Dr. Myuu and Dr. Gero working together, to finally create an android that surpass Goku and that would do it. But his final moments, when he is defeated because he simply couldn't destroy his own sister(18) because of his love to her, are awesome. It shows ut that even when he achieved the ultimate level, he couldn't destroy his own sister just to increase his own power, and this is what makes him different to every villain(with the exception of Innocent Buu), even a powerful, arrogant and cold Android knows the meaning of love.

Like Cell arc, its all about androids and revenge on Goku

The Shadow Dragons had an awesome concept. It shows that everything has its limits, even the use of the Dragon Balls. And it is my 2nd favorite saga because SSj4 Gogeta appears on it hehehe.

It's about terrorizing the universe similar to Boo and Gogeta appearing on it to forced Omega Shenron to release the minus energy so that he can change it to plus energy which is similar to Vegito's mission lol!

 

[Tapion]

Because Goku was amazed that Syn Shenron can destroy a city by powering up or a blast.

Everyone in Saiyan Arc was shocked by Nappa destroying West City when Piccolo Daimao could do the same thing. Nitpicking detected.

Pan surpassed all dbz characters because she didn't train anything and can't kill Dr. Gero lol.

So Pan surpassing TRUNKS when ENRAGED is surpassing everyone? HAHAHAAHAAHAHAHA. Talk about Gohan's Saiyan Saga boost when enraged then. Nitpicking²

Gogeta wanted Omega Shenron to release Negative Karma ball so he can turn it into positive energy similar to what Vegito did, trying to pissed Boo in order to get himself absorb.

And then he kicked the Negative Karma Ball into the space.

Goten and Trunks surpassed SS3 Goku from Z without training.

Baseless.

GT perfect files said Gohan didn't neglect his training while after Baby Arc, his power didn't increase lol!

Didn't neglect his training BEFORE THE EVENTS OF GT. Also, didn't Cell Arc do the same thing? And i never saw anyone complaining.

Pan pushing the button in order to go space was a brilliant idea to show how annoying she is.

And?

Like Frieza story, its all about Saiyan story.

The big difference is that Freeza killed all The Saiyans and was killing everyone while Baby controlled everyone and manipulated all the Saiyans. Watch GT.

Like Cell arc, its all about androids and revenge on Goku

The big difference is that only Android 20 wanted revenge on Goku, Cell's main goal was to become perfect.

It's about terrorizing the universe similar to Boo and Gogeta appearing on it to forced Omega Shenron to release the minus energy so that he can change it to plus energy which is similar to Vegito's mission lol!

So Gogeta appearing for a few minutes on Shadow Dragons arc INSTANTLY makes that arc a imitation of Buu Saga? Lol, then Baby Saga is also a imitation of Buu Saga since Goten and Trunks were planning to fuse, just like Goku was planning to fuse with Gohan to fight Gohan-Buu.

What the bias is about, i don't know. Laughable.

 

[Classic Adamas]

It's funny because Fearless use to have a GT set lolz

 

[SSJ2]

GT is in another league. They aren't comparable.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

@HUEBR_Tapion

Everyone in Saiyan Arc was shocked by Nappa destroying West City when Piccolo Daimao could do the same thing. Nitpicking detected.

Who were shocked? I don't remember anything from Z shenshi being shocked except the innocent humans. Even if they did, they were shocked because how many humans died and this has always been their reactions like Dr Gero shooting eye lazer everywhere which pissed Goku.

So Pan surpassing TRUNKS when ENRAGED is surpassing everyone? HAHAHAAHAAHAHAHA. Talk about Gohan's Saiyan Saga boost when enraged then. Nitpicking²

At least Gohan has a background of it unlike Pan who doesn't lol.

And then he kicked the Negative Karma Ball into the space.

So what? Why can't Gogeta just kill Omega Shenron and swallow all the DB and change it to positive energy? Toei doesn't want that so they need to copy why Vegito didn't kill Boo immediately.

Baseless.

Tell me, how strong is Goten? He's power is enough to kill Gohan who is thousands times stronger than SS3 Goku that makes Goten stronger than Goku.

Didn't neglect his training BEFORE THE EVENTS OF GT. Also, didn't Cell Arc do the same thing? And i never saw anyone complaining.

So after Baby died he slacked again? COOl!

The big difference is that Freeza killed all The Saiyans and was killing everyone while Baby controlled everyone and manipulated all the Saiyans. Watch GT.

You didn't get what i'm saying, the story is cool don't get me wrong but the story is about Saiyans so it doesn't change the fact that they just repeated the same damn thing.

The big difference is that only Android 20 wanted revenge on Goku, Cell's main goal was to become perfect.

Android 20 creates Super 17 to destroy Goku and that's the exact same thing why he built 16,17,18,19 and Cell so there's no big difference like you claimed it.

So Gogeta appearing for a few minutes on Shadow Dragons arc INSTANTLY makes that arc a imitation of Buu Saga? Lol, then Baby Saga is also a imitation of Buu Saga since Goten and Trunks were planning to fuse, just like Goku was planning to fuse with Gohan to fight Gohan-Buu.

Yeah its an imitation of Boo Arc. Gogeta could have destroy Omega Shenron ASAP but no he went to toy him instead like Vegito did.

Goten and Trunks planning to fuse is irrelevant.

What laughable is why you keep defending GT since its a garbage. Before BoG was announced, everyone were downplaying GT and now they come to rescue it lol!

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

It's funny because Fearless use to have a GT set lolz

I like the design of the characters but not the story lolz

 

[Tapion]

At least Gohan has a background of it unlike Pan who doesn't lol.

So "well, he is a hybrid and that's it" is a background? Not to talk about that ridiculous 1,307x boost in the Saiyan Arc. You're nitpicking because of your bias towards GT and that's all. If you're going to hate GT because of that, then you automatically have to hate all the Saiyan & Freeza Arc because of Gohan's ridiculous boost without no reason but "he is a hybrid" and "plot"

So what? Why can't Gogeta just kill Omega Shenron and swallow all the DB and change it to positive energy? Toei doesn't want that so they need to copy why Vegito didn't kill Boo immediately.

Vegetto was toying with Gohan-Buu for a reason. Gogeta toying with Omega was the result of combining SSj4 Vegeta's arrogancy and SSj4 Goku's seriousness.

Tell me, how strong is Goten? He's power is enough to kill Gohan who is thousands times stronger than SS3 Goku that makes Goten stronger than Goku.

So what? Everyone gained a haxxed boost to match the villains. Even Super has that kind of haxxed boost of having Base Goku << Freeza and then having Base Goku(Post God) around 400x stronger than before. Also, where you took "Gohan is 1000x stronger than SSj3 Goku" in GT?

So after Baby died he slacked again? COOl!

So, they had Gohan training in the RoSaT to finish off Cell and give him SSj2 and when Goku died he slacked?? COOl!

You didn't get what i'm saying, the story is cool don't get me wrong but the story is about Saiyans so it doesn't change the fact that they just repeated the same damn thing.

Baby controls and manipulates everyone, recreate his planet, plans a new world order, Goku almost dies, recover his tail, returns to Earth and then transforms into Golden Great Ape to fight Baby. Pan tries to calm him down and can finally manage something. Goku transforms into SSj4 and strikes Super Baby Vegeta 2. Baby is losing badly, transforms into Golden Great Ape and then they have an even fight.

LOL, IT'S SO SIMILAR TO FREEZA ARC!!

Android 20 creates Super 17 to destroy Goku and that's the exact same thing why he built 16,17,18,19 and Cell so there's no big difference like you claimed it.

1. Cell's goal wasn't to destroy Goku.
2. Movie 7 did the same thing of Ultimate Android trying to beat Goku and nobody complains that Super Android 13 is a ripoff of Android 16.

Yeah its an imitation of Boo Arc. Gogeta could have destroy Omega Shenron ASAP but no he went to toy him instead like Vegito did.


Goten and Trunks planning to fuse is irrelevant.

So Gogeta appearing for 1 Episode instantly makes the arc a ripoff? What the bias is about? Janemba and Hirudegarn are ripoffs of Buu then, because SSj3 Goku appears on both movies, and because Gogeta appears on Fusion Reborn.

What laughable is why you keep defending GT since its a garbage.

HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

So "well, he is a hybrid and that's it" is a background? Not to talk about that ridiculous 1,307x boost in the Saiyan Arc. You're nitpicking because of your bias towards GT and that's all. If you're going to hate GT because of that, then you automatically have to hate all the Saiyan & Freeza Arc because of Gohan's ridiculous boost without no reason but "he is a hybrid" and "plot"

That's how Toriyama told the story and i don't see anything wrong with it.

Vegetto was toying with Gohan-Buu for a reason. Gogeta toying with Omega was the result of combining SSj4 Vegeta's arrogancy and SSj4 Goku's seriousness.

Vegeta suggested Goku to fuse because they'll die if they don't so how's that explain Gogeta toying Boo? lol

So what? Everyone gained a haxxed boost to match the villains. Even Super has that kind of haxxed boost of having Base Goku << Freeza and then having Base Goku(Post God) around 400x stronger than before. Also, where you took "Gohan is 1000x stronger than SSj3 Goku" in GT?

I don't care what you think about Super nor i will defend it. I was talking about Goku from Boo arc.

So, they had Gohan training in the RoSaT to finish off Cell and give him SSj2 and when Goku died he slacked?? COOl!

Now you're playing dumb games.

Goku wanted Gohan to trained and beat Cell and after that Earth is peace so there's no need for him to train. GT on the other hand had Gohan trained post EoZ for what? and why he stopped after Baby's defeat?

1. Cell's goal wasn't to destroy Goku.
2. Movie 7 did the same thing of Ultimate Android trying to beat Goku and nobody complains that Super Android 13 is a ripoff of Android 16.

He's goal is to destroy Goku. M7 is from Toei and the one who made the GT which you're happy to claim that GT has great storyline.

Nobody complained about it because we ALL knew what M7 was all about and doesn't give a shit what Toei made except you ofcourse.

So Gogeta appearing for 1 Episode instantly makes the arc a ripoff? What the bias is about? Janemba and Hirudegarn are ripoffs of Buu then, because SSj3 Goku appears on both movies, and because Gogeta appears on Fusion Reborn.

Let's take a look

Gogeta appeared because its the only hope.
Gogeta toyed Omega Shenron because he wanted Omega to release the minus energy and turn it into positive energy is similar why Vegito toyed Boo around so that Boo will absorb him and rescue the boys and Piccolo.

Gogeta failed to kill OS because he didn't expect his time limit to end is similar to why Vegito defuse failed to do his job because Potara doesn't work in Boo's body.

See the SIMILARITIES???