The power of Goku and Vegeta (Non-god forms)

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Yet there's still no reason for Hit to pull his punches at his current level to the point of being caught off-guard by Base Galu. It'd be fairly inconsistent for him to be so intrigued by Goku that he'd use even less effort than against Vegeta when, if anything, dominating him would force Goku to reveal SSB as Hit wanted far more likely. You'd also think the spectators would catch on to Hit's degradation in effort if that really was the case. Again, Goku predicting Hit's attacks shouldn't be too important if he was at the level where he shouldn't conceivably be able to take them as well as he did.
 

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[mention]Future Warrior[/mention] how strong do you think Initial Hit was compared to SSJ Goku exactly? If Goku isn't much better than he used to be pre god, then Hit comparable to 1/10 of SSJB's power might put him multiple times stronger than SSJ1 Goku.

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That'd likely show how low the gap between base and SSJ has become in Super, if anything.

Sure the numerical difference may be lower, but the power up is still perceived to be huge.

Well yeah, Hit wasn't going all out as evidenced by his power up after Goku went SSG, but he definitely wasn't suggested to be pulling his punches at his initial level.

Pulling one's punches isn't much of a leap once he's established to be holding back.

By the way, do you think SSJG is a fixed level for the gap between it and the weaker forms to shrink? Or is it just one of those numerical inconstencies that happens with multipliers?
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Yet there's still no reason for Hit to pull his punches at his current level to the point of being caught off-guard by Base Galu. It'd be fairly inconsistent for him to be so intrigued by Goku that he'd use even less effort than against Vegeta when, if anything, dominating him would force Goku to reveal SSB as Hit wanted far more likely. You'd also think the spectators would catch on to Hit's degradation in effort if that really was the case. Again, Goku predicting Hit's attacks shouldn't be too important if he was at the level where he shouldn't conceivably be able to take them as well as he did.

Hit's face the entire time against regular/SSJ Goku was that of curiosity and amusement, he's the first person to ever be able to predict his time-skip ability. The problem is that you're assuming he's using a fixed amount of power the entire time before he gets serious against SSG Goku, which doesn't necessarily have to be the case. He adjusted his power to take out SSB Vegeta, just as he did to fight SSJ Goku.
 

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GreatSaiyaman123 said:
@Future Warrior how strong do you think Initial Hit was compared to SSJ Goku exactly? If Goku isn't much better than he used to be pre god, then Hit comparable to 1/10 of SSJB's power might put him multiple times stronger than SSJ1 Goku.

Who knows. Honestly, I kind of feel like the whole SSG/SSB level of power compared to the strongest fighters of the Boo arc is a little overblown. Sure, it a whole other dimension of power, but I don't think it's like thousands of times stronger than Super Boo or whatever.
 

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Future Warrior said:
Hit's face the entire time against regular/SSJ Goku was that of curiosity and amusement, he's the first person to ever be able to predict his time-skip ability. The problem is that you're assuming he's using a fixed amount of power the entire time before he gets serious against SSG Goku, which doesn't necessarily have to be the case.
Sure, I can see that idea being plausible, but the fact remains he only presented such mannerisms after he was hit by Base Goku, and cut no less. The only case of amusement prior was just a smirk, and that wouldn't really count as one of interest when he clearly thought Galu was just an overconfident fool at first. I could go with the idea of him holding back his effort a bit due to the tournament setting, but being cut by Base Goku does seem a fairly telling sign; though then again, the same Hit took SSG Goku's Ki blast fairly well prior to an obvious power up.
The general escalation of the fight also suggests an increase in effort, if anything, considering Hit abandoned the whole pocket hands style and even said Goku was underestimating him before fighting his SSJ self, something that'd seem very unlikely if he was using less Ki than against an opponent Goku had already seen him beat.

He adjusted his power to take out SSB Vegeta, just as he did to fight SSJ Goku.
Did he really, though? Sure, he wasn't fighting all-out as we'd see when Goku went SSG, but that level was made apparent to not be one he's tapped into for a while. Hit isn't really noted to alter his more standard level to take down SSB Vegeta.

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By the way, do you think SSJG is a fixed level for the gap between it and the weaker forms to shrink? Or is it just one of those numerical inconstencies that happens with multipliers?
Kind of a bit of both. It's certainly a lower gap after the ritual with, but is essentially the same as other SSJ forms at this point beyond offering a better boost than the lower ones.
 

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Why would he constantly walk around with power that can easily beat up 10% of SSB? He certainly wouldn't be if he was assassinating random goons and criminals, much less sitting down on a bench waiting for his next match.

Hit's level of power against SSB Vegeta isn't his standard power, that's the total amount of power he's willing to use without getting serious.
 

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We shall see. I have my doubts, because they haven't surpassed his younger version since or even before I think. Maybe he'll be able to match him.
The new Android will be a super powered up version of Cell who gave SSJ2 Gohan a good fight so Super Hero Gohan's powa is maximum!!1
 
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